TheSerbRyder_ReTurns
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the irony in this thread title haha!!! im sure the real experts will get a chuckle at that one, lib i know you'll get it, and ren im very sure you'll get it
I Am An Expert On John Titor. Feel Free To Engage Me In Conversation
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the irony in this thread title haha!!! im sure the real experts will get a chuckle at that one, lib i know you'll get it, and ren im very sure you'll get it
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He's not the only guy from 2036. He said that there were 7 others in his unit.
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You mean "John Titor" was/is/will be his handle.
You need to really think befor you try to correct some one especially when no corection is needed but yas John Titor was the only man under that name bar the John Titor of today.
You know i am amazed that people hare are so set on the smallest things like feeling supirior for correcting spelling insted of oh i dont know maybe listening to people.
Your so set on what John said being 100% that you dissreguard other peopleJohn was not the first to speak out but he was the first truely listened to and now that he's gone you spend so much time serching for the man who ISNT here anymore that you miss the people to follow John who also choose to speak out .
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John Titor's biggest concern was for the safety of his family members who are living on our Timeline. On his Timeline, family is the most important thing in life. Here are some of John's comments:
JOHN TITOR: (22-04-2000) "Life is centered on the family and then the community. I cannot imagine living even a few hundred miles away from my parents." "...there are many things that bother me here but being with my parents right now is important to me."
JOHN TITOR: (02-26-2001): "Once I leave, I would not want any attention to come to my family here."
JOHN TITOR: (03-34-2001): "My primary concern is the anonymity of my family. In addition, my departure will be in a somewhat public place and I do not want to draw additional attention to myself."
Here is a letter that John's mother posted on the Internet after he departed. The original source/link is no longer active, however, on 9-26-2003 it was posted on the johntitor.com Website.
To Whom It May Concern:
John was indeed real and appeared to have knowledge of events in our future. I am aware of the angst his words have caused some of you and for this I apologize. I do not think John expected or wished for his presence to become an online myth. Before he left, John warned us about certain events he thought would unfold. They have.
John's world was engulfed by war and suffering. His major concern in this world was for us, his family. While he was here, he did and said many things we did not understand. In spite of the differences between our worlds, his pessimism about our ability to avert a civil war was always evident. John asked us to be vigilant concerning the residual effects the 2000 election would have on this country. Although he expected the same disruptions and arguments over the election process, his one bit of optimism concerned the courts future ability to let an election proceed. Apparently, in California, it has and will. For me, this is the event John spoke about that would possibily avert civil disorder and conflict. Only time will tell.
John asked us to videotape his departure. We did and it was sent to several people who have apparently decided not to release it. Anything else John wrote or left behind with us was destroyed or is in the care of an attorney. For us, it is over. We have since moved away from Florida and our son is safe and unaware of these events. We plan to keep it that way and hope you will respect our wishes.
Sincerely,
John's Mother
We know now from the last video message (posted below) that John I and II's motives for posting on our Timeline was so they and other Johns could find instructions on how to get back home on separate Timelines (paraphrased).
Was the information that John Titor posted on the Internet enough to actually help someone invent a Time Machine?
December 13, 2000
QUESTION: Isn't it possible that someone who reads this may invent time travel?
JOHN TITOR: "This statement is quite insightful. One of the reasons I have been communicating this way is so that others that do not post who I have directed here can see some of the information I have shared with you."
JOHN'S MOTHER: "This is one of the statements that led me to think John had something else up his sleeve while he was online. He had many conversations online with physicists and scientists. He often sent them to web sites and posts from the forums he was on. I don't know what his goal was, but I got the impression he was building an information puzzle of some sort. He said that many scientists he was talking to agreed to never acknowledge they spoke with or knew anything about him, and would even try to discredit him after he left."
Here are a couple of other questions John answered about this subject...
November 12, 2000
QUESTION: Have you thought about the possible outcomes of your actions?
JOHN TITOR: "Yes."
QUESTION: What about the people that read the information and might attempt to build a time machine?
JOHN TITOR: "Yes, I have considered it...The people who understand what they are seeing are not aggressive. Everyone else just finds them entertaining. The obvious first answer is that the only worldline of consequence is my own and I don't care what happens here. That however, is not the case. I have shown these documents in order that people might consider the possibility. I do not expect people to believe them."
Below, John turns the question back on the one who asked it. He did this often.
Remember, there were two John's posting on Message Boards.
February 15, 2001
QUESTION: Did John come here to give somebody a push to invent the Time Machine?
JOHN TITOR: " I find this one the most interesting. What do you think would happen if the United States, China or Russia suddenly developed a time machine and the rest of the world found out about it?"
Perhaps John told scientists and physicists how Time Travel worked, in hopes that the information would lead to the building of a Time Machine, and eventually it would lead to a world war, which he felt we needed, but his presence on our Timeline changed the events and averted Y2K, which in turn averted a Civil War. This is far-fetched speculation, of course, but then why did he pass on information on how to invent a Time Machine when he himself infers that it could lead to war?
JOHN TITOR: (22-04-2000) "Life is centered on the family and then the community. I cannot imagine living even a few hundred miles away from my parents." "...there are many things that bother me here but being with my parents right now is important to me."
JOHN TITOR: (02-26-2001): "Once I leave, I would not want any attention to come to my family here."
JOHN TITOR: (03-34-2001): "My primary concern is the anonymity of my family. In addition, my departure will be in a somewhat public place and I do not want to draw additional attention to myself."
Here is a letter that John's mother posted on the Internet after he departed. The original source/link is no longer active, however, on 9-26-2003 it was posted on the johntitor.com Website.
To Whom It May Concern:
John was indeed real and appeared to have knowledge of events in our future. I am aware of the angst his words have caused some of you and for this I apologize. I do not think John expected or wished for his presence to become an online myth. Before he left, John warned us about certain events he thought would unfold. They have.
John's world was engulfed by war and suffering. His major concern in this world was for us, his family. While he was here, he did and said many things we did not understand. In spite of the differences between our worlds, his pessimism about our ability to avert a civil war was always evident. John asked us to be vigilant concerning the residual effects the 2000 election would have on this country. Although he expected the same disruptions and arguments over the election process, his one bit of optimism concerned the courts future ability to let an election proceed. Apparently, in California, it has and will. For me, this is the event John spoke about that would possibily avert civil disorder and conflict. Only time will tell.
John asked us to videotape his departure. We did and it was sent to several people who have apparently decided not to release it. Anything else John wrote or left behind with us was destroyed or is in the care of an attorney. For us, it is over. We have since moved away from Florida and our son is safe and unaware of these events. We plan to keep it that way and hope you will respect our wishes.
Sincerely,
John's Mother
We know now from the last video message (posted below) that John I and II's motives for posting on our Timeline was so they and other Johns could find instructions on how to get back home on separate Timelines (paraphrased).
Was the information that John Titor posted on the Internet enough to actually help someone invent a Time Machine?
December 13, 2000
QUESTION: Isn't it possible that someone who reads this may invent time travel?
JOHN TITOR: "This statement is quite insightful. One of the reasons I have been communicating this way is so that others that do not post who I have directed here can see some of the information I have shared with you."
JOHN'S MOTHER: "This is one of the statements that led me to think John had something else up his sleeve while he was online. He had many conversations online with physicists and scientists. He often sent them to web sites and posts from the forums he was on. I don't know what his goal was, but I got the impression he was building an information puzzle of some sort. He said that many scientists he was talking to agreed to never acknowledge they spoke with or knew anything about him, and would even try to discredit him after he left."
Here are a couple of other questions John answered about this subject...
November 12, 2000
QUESTION: Have you thought about the possible outcomes of your actions?
JOHN TITOR: "Yes."
QUESTION: What about the people that read the information and might attempt to build a time machine?
JOHN TITOR: "Yes, I have considered it...The people who understand what they are seeing are not aggressive. Everyone else just finds them entertaining. The obvious first answer is that the only worldline of consequence is my own and I don't care what happens here. That however, is not the case. I have shown these documents in order that people might consider the possibility. I do not expect people to believe them."
Below, John turns the question back on the one who asked it. He did this often.
Remember, there were two John's posting on Message Boards.
February 15, 2001
QUESTION: Did John come here to give somebody a push to invent the Time Machine?
JOHN TITOR: " I find this one the most interesting. What do you think would happen if the United States, China or Russia suddenly developed a time machine and the rest of the world found out about it?"
Perhaps John told scientists and physicists how Time Travel worked, in hopes that the information would lead to the building of a Time Machine, and eventually it would lead to a world war, which he felt we needed, but his presence on our Timeline changed the events and averted Y2K, which in turn averted a Civil War. This is far-fetched speculation, of course, but then why did he pass on information on how to invent a Time Machine when he himself infers that it could lead to war?
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SUGGESTION: It would be helpful if posters who want to make unrelated chit-chat about John Titor would do so outside of this thread using the many other means available, i.e., Conversations, Email, etc, or even create a thread for chit-chat about John Titor...and post here only when it is 'On Topic'. Repeated unrelated comments detract from the discussion on this thread. Please be courteous so that we may continue this thread with the real meat of the subject.
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Here is what John Titor said about a problem with Unix and the Year 2038...
November 15, 2000
QUESTION: Why did you go to 1975?
JOHN TITOR: "We need the system [IBM 5100] to 'debug' various legacy computer programs in 2036. UNIX has a problem in 2038."
December 6, 2000
QUESTION: Earlier you said something was wrong with the UNIX computer code on your worldline. What's wrong with it?
JOHN TITOR: "Yes...and with yours too. I have to believe there must be a UNIX expert out there someplace that can confirm that. I'm not exactly sure what the technical issue is but I believe some sort of UNIX system registry stops in 2038."
January 3, 2001
JOHN TITOR: "I also haven't heard anyone take me up on my 'information experiment' on the IBM 5100 or check out the information I've given you about the UNIX failure in 2038."
January 11, 2001
JOHN TITOR: "I don't believe I ever said I came back looking for a UNIX bug fix. I came back for a computer system. Don't you find UNIX useful now?"
February 1, 2001
JOHN TITOR: "The 5100 isn't required for it's reliability, it's needed to translate between APL, UNIX and a few obscure IBM mainframe languages."
February 6, 2001
JOHN TITOR: "As you are probably aware, UNIX will have a timeout error in 2038 and many of the mainframe systems that ran a large part of the infrastructure were based on very old IBM computer code. The 5100 has the ability to easily translate between the old IBM code, APL, BASIC and (with a few tweaks in 1975) UNIX."
February 8, 2001
JOHN TITOR: "I do believe that 'you're' UNIX will also have a problem in 2038. I don't think that's a secret but maybe someone should put a 5100 aside for thirty years or so."
1) The Project 2038 Frequently Asked Questions
http://maul.deepsky.com/~merovech/2038.html#What_is_the_year_2038_bug
2) Year 2000 (Y2K) and Year 2038 compliance
http://www.acs-software.com/public/info-year-2038.htm
3) ARTICLE: December 22, 2003
Software glitch brings Y2K deja vu
November 15, 2000
QUESTION: Why did you go to 1975?
JOHN TITOR: "We need the system [IBM 5100] to 'debug' various legacy computer programs in 2036. UNIX has a problem in 2038."
December 6, 2000
QUESTION: Earlier you said something was wrong with the UNIX computer code on your worldline. What's wrong with it?
JOHN TITOR: "Yes...and with yours too. I have to believe there must be a UNIX expert out there someplace that can confirm that. I'm not exactly sure what the technical issue is but I believe some sort of UNIX system registry stops in 2038."
January 3, 2001
JOHN TITOR: "I also haven't heard anyone take me up on my 'information experiment' on the IBM 5100 or check out the information I've given you about the UNIX failure in 2038."
January 11, 2001
JOHN TITOR: "I don't believe I ever said I came back looking for a UNIX bug fix. I came back for a computer system. Don't you find UNIX useful now?"
February 1, 2001
JOHN TITOR: "The 5100 isn't required for it's reliability, it's needed to translate between APL, UNIX and a few obscure IBM mainframe languages."
February 6, 2001
JOHN TITOR: "As you are probably aware, UNIX will have a timeout error in 2038 and many of the mainframe systems that ran a large part of the infrastructure were based on very old IBM computer code. The 5100 has the ability to easily translate between the old IBM code, APL, BASIC and (with a few tweaks in 1975) UNIX."
February 8, 2001
JOHN TITOR: "I do believe that 'you're' UNIX will also have a problem in 2038. I don't think that's a secret but maybe someone should put a 5100 aside for thirty years or so."
1) The Project 2038 Frequently Asked Questions
http://maul.deepsky.com/~merovech/2038.html#What_is_the_year_2038_bug
2) Year 2000 (Y2K) and Year 2038 compliance
http://www.acs-software.com/public/info-year-2038.htm
3) ARTICLE: December 22, 2003
Software glitch brings Y2K deja vu
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Did John Titor save some of his family from the 2004 hurricanes in Florida? According to the book John Titor's Mother published, she and her family moved out of Florida (to Nebraska). It is possible that John went to 1998, not only to prepare his parents for Y2K, but also to avert them from the series of deadly hurricanes that hit Florida in 2004. The book published by John's Mother was Copyrighted in 2001 and published in 2003, so at the time, the hurricane disasters were still in the future.
(This is only speculation, but...I wondered if John's mother died or was injured on his Timeline in some bad event that took place in Florida, because John talked about times during and after the wars when he and his father were together, selling oranges and other things, but he never really mentioned his mother. Once he referred to his "parents", but that could have been a diversion. It might also account for why they moved to Nebraska.)
Below, note the comment John's Mother made after the remark he made on December 13, 2000. She thought he was referring to Y2K, but that had already passed, and John's comment didn't make sense to her.
December 13, 2000
QUESTION: Are you going to take your family away with you to protect them from coming events? Are you worried about someone finding your time machine?
JOHN TITOR: "No, I am not taking them with me but I am trying to prepare them for the future as promised to my Grandfather in 1975..."
JOHN'S MOTHER: "John is talking about preparing us for Y2K but the statement confuses me since he posted this after the fact. I believe he came to 1998 to prepare us for a disaster that never arrived. I also asked John about the safety of the time machine. He kept it in a location away from the house and told me that if someone tampered with it, they would know what happened and it wouldn't matter anyway. I'm not sure I want to know what he meant by that."
Four major hurricanes hit Florida during a 44-day period in 2004. That had not happened in any state since 1886, when four hurricanes hit the state of Texas. The Florida hurricanes were Hurricane Charley on August 13, 2004, Hurricane Frances on September 4, 2004, Hurricane Ivan on September 16, 2004 and Hurricane Jeanne on September 25, 2004.
A total of126 lives were lost in Florida, and thousands of people lost everythign they owned. The storms destroyed 25,000 homes and damaged over 40,000 more. Damages were estimated to exceed more than $20 billion.
The area in Florida where John's parents lived also happens to be the same location where John said he lived during the Civil War that took place on his Timeline...which according to him is in our future.
November 4, 2000
JOHN TITOR:
"1. I live in central Florida with my family and I'm currently stationed at an Army base in Tampa.
2. After the war, my father made a living selling oranges up and down the West Coast of Florida.
3. When I'm with my parents, I live in a community made up of "tree houses" on a large river in Florida. The river floods sometimes and we have access to the Gulf.
4. I went to school at Fort UF, which is now called the University of Florida.
5. In my 2012, I was 14 years old spending most of my time living, running and hiding in the woods and rivers of central Florida.
6. You've been to Cedar Key? You must be aware I don't know any personal information about you. If I was going to guess, I would say it's important to avoid the rattlesnake or you might be 'walking' back to shore. You may be happy to know that although the bridge is gone, Cedar Key is still there."
(This is only speculation, but...I wondered if John's mother died or was injured on his Timeline in some bad event that took place in Florida, because John talked about times during and after the wars when he and his father were together, selling oranges and other things, but he never really mentioned his mother. Once he referred to his "parents", but that could have been a diversion. It might also account for why they moved to Nebraska.)
Below, note the comment John's Mother made after the remark he made on December 13, 2000. She thought he was referring to Y2K, but that had already passed, and John's comment didn't make sense to her.
December 13, 2000
QUESTION: Are you going to take your family away with you to protect them from coming events? Are you worried about someone finding your time machine?
JOHN TITOR: "No, I am not taking them with me but I am trying to prepare them for the future as promised to my Grandfather in 1975..."
JOHN'S MOTHER: "John is talking about preparing us for Y2K but the statement confuses me since he posted this after the fact. I believe he came to 1998 to prepare us for a disaster that never arrived. I also asked John about the safety of the time machine. He kept it in a location away from the house and told me that if someone tampered with it, they would know what happened and it wouldn't matter anyway. I'm not sure I want to know what he meant by that."
Four major hurricanes hit Florida during a 44-day period in 2004. That had not happened in any state since 1886, when four hurricanes hit the state of Texas. The Florida hurricanes were Hurricane Charley on August 13, 2004, Hurricane Frances on September 4, 2004, Hurricane Ivan on September 16, 2004 and Hurricane Jeanne on September 25, 2004.
A total of126 lives were lost in Florida, and thousands of people lost everythign they owned. The storms destroyed 25,000 homes and damaged over 40,000 more. Damages were estimated to exceed more than $20 billion.
The area in Florida where John's parents lived also happens to be the same location where John said he lived during the Civil War that took place on his Timeline...which according to him is in our future.
November 4, 2000
JOHN TITOR:
"1. I live in central Florida with my family and I'm currently stationed at an Army base in Tampa.
2. After the war, my father made a living selling oranges up and down the West Coast of Florida.
3. When I'm with my parents, I live in a community made up of "tree houses" on a large river in Florida. The river floods sometimes and we have access to the Gulf.
4. I went to school at Fort UF, which is now called the University of Florida.
5. In my 2012, I was 14 years old spending most of my time living, running and hiding in the woods and rivers of central Florida.
6. You've been to Cedar Key? You must be aware I don't know any personal information about you. If I was going to guess, I would say it's important to avoid the rattlesnake or you might be 'walking' back to shore. You may be happy to know that although the bridge is gone, Cedar Key is still there."