My opinion: If aliens did not land at Roswell, THIS is actually the most likely explanation

[OakFieldAlienz444]

Yeah. Wooden crash test dummies time traveled and crashed in a Project Mogul balloon and proceeded to read the minds of military veterans in charge of the 509th bomb group who could not tell the difference between a childrens kite and a top secret balloon project. Then the crash test dummies told the military witnesses they meant them no harm and that they would not launch a full scale invasion of the planet. I like your idea better.

 

[OakFieldAlienz444]

If the military thought a childrens kite was a crashed UFO with space aliens and got it wrong then retracted to find it was a balloon...
which is what our own government tells us--
why the HELL would you trust the government to tell you the truth about ANYTHING?
If they're THAT fucking stupid?

 

[OakFieldAlienz444]

If you're not a conspiracy nut----you're not thinking.

 

[Grouchy Old Man]

Yeah. Wooden crash test dummies time traveled and crashed in a Project Mogul balloon and proceeded to read the minds of military veterans in charge of the 509th bomb group who could not tell the difference between a childrens kite and a top secret balloon project. Then the crash test dummies told the military witnesses they meant them no harm and that they would not launch a full scale invasion of the planet. I like your idea better.

So some atomic balloon traveled 6000 miles across the Pacific and specifically crashed in Roswell New Mexico that fateful day in July 1947...Yet none fail in Roswell...Exploded and left behind alien bodies and alien craft debris...Yeah that sounds about right..The SyFi channel might buy that one.

 

[OakFieldAlienz444]

Woohoo, here comes the flying gremlins to tell us aliens don't exist.

 

[OakFieldAlienz444]

Maybe aliens don't exist. Big fucking deal.
Doesn't bother me a bit.
I just see a lot of weird shit going on okay?
Why are you on this forum to debunk every UFO sighting when most of the time it's just knee-jerk
reactions of "he's a fool" or "he's telling tall tales" with barely any powerful rebuttals at all?
Not to mention that us believers are so fucking bull headed you'll never convince us anyway
so why bother getting on here? I'll have you know I think a lot of conspiracy people are the dumbest
most shallow wacked out fundamentalist christian neo pagan disgusting creeps I've ever seen.
Most of their websites I hate with a passion because their headlines are misleading, sometimes blatant prejudice with nothing to back anything up, world is ending in three days etc.

With that having been said I don't get knee-jerk reactions, I research shit. There's morons and evil people in every single walk of life.

 

[OakFieldAlienz444]

Aliens don't exist, UFO's don't exist, pilots are hallucinating butterflies and potato chip bags
as spaceships and sun dogs are taking over our minds. Roswell never happened, not even Project Mogul, Project Mogul was a hallucination brought upon the world by JFK, Hitler, and Ronald Reagan, abductions
are caused by hallucinations brought on by sunflower seeds, Britney Spears, and Pepsi.
We all just need to play some ping pong with Katy Perry.

All of that is actually possible. I'm fine with people that are like that.
I just present information. I don't claim to know the ultimate truth.

 

[T-J]

Roswell is not an 'issue' with me, per se, but my take on it is that it was, indeed, a 'stage play' of sorts, intended to give the appearance of a crash when in fact no crash took place, and where both sides agreed to the circumstances of the event ahead of time in order to 'get the ball rolling' (i.e. agreement with the US Gov't where cattle -- and the occasional human -- could be taken in exchange for adv tech. The Greys would also have an "in" with our gov't as part of the deal).

What validates this theory is that after the deal had been implemented for a little while, and accounts of atrocities against human beings began piling up, by 1949 then Secretary of Defense James Forrestal concluded what was happening and objected strongly to further implementation of the terms (again, humans to be used as food and also experimented on in exchange for that much-coveted adv tech), at which time he was deemed 'mentally incompetent' (probably on order of the Banksters, as well as the Greys), confined to the top floor of a mental ward, then shortly thereafter 'suicided' by being thrown out the window of his room. His screamed last words, as he plunged toward the pavement, reportedly were,

"WE'RE BEING INVADED!"



(UFOs over the Pentagon July 4, 1949)

 

[OakFieldAlienz444]

A staged event for the benefit of BOTH the US government and the Greys.
You know come to think of it there was a crash of Grey Aliens that happened in
Missouri long before Roswell, so maybe the government already knew about the
Grey Aliens and staged Roswell with the help of the aliens in order to make it appear as though
UFO crashes were insane and outlandish. So far with Roswell, we've had monkeys, secret experiments, B-52's,
every kind of wild explanation you can think of.

The creepy thing? You can find very good arguments for almost any of them.
I had my own theory similar to this......what you said but a little different.
During the Roswell even there was a tear in the fabric of space-time and
every single explanation is true on one level.

HOWEVER....
YOU SEE.....
But really....it's ALL a smokescreen. I've thought of similar things before.
The aliens have a mental hold on the government and all humans. That is what I think.
That's why you have this knee-jerk reaction with skeptics, why people of different cultures
have so much trouble understanding each other, why young people and old people never
get what makes the other tick......

It's an interdimensional filter that causes misunderstandings creating fake events
and wars. They might even control the afterlife and force us to come to Earth when
we're meant to go somewhere else.

 

[MartinTower]

Winfried Otto Schumann was also a guest of Paperclip.

As World War II ended, the race was on with the Soviet Union to seize as many German scientists as possible in anticipation of the Cold War. The full story has remained elusive until now. Operation Paperclip, by Annie Jacobsen, provides perhaps the most comprehensive, up-to-date narrative available to the general public. Her book is a detailed and highly readable account of the program. Jacobsen compiled extensive primary and secondary sources, duly annotated in over 100 pages of notes and bibliography. In it are many new sources, among them US government records (President Clinton’s “Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act”), German archival records, first-person accounts, memoirs, and letters. The book also contains a useful index and biographies of the principal players.

Jacobsen offers a detailed chronology of events related to Operation Paperclip. Because of its scope and the introduction of so many characters, the narrative could have been improved if the author had focused on a shorter list than the 89 individuals profiled and maintained more topical continuity. Nevertheless, the book is a compelling work with interesting historical and personal revelations, for example:

• One of the most notorious cases of WMD proliferation occurred on 15 May 1945, when the German U-234 submarine, bound for Japan, was captured off Newfoundland by the USS Sutton. The U-boat carried Dr. Heinz Schlicke, Director of Naval Test Fields at Kiel, and the cargo included plans for the Hs293 glider bomb, V-1 glide bomb (forerunner to cruise missiles), V-2 rocket (forerunner to the SCUD missile), Me262 fighter aircraft (the first combat jet fighter), low observable submarine designs, and lead-lined boxes filled with 1,200 lbs. of uranium oxide, a key ingredient of atomic bombs. Schlicke, who claimed to be an electronic warfare expert, became a prisoner at Ft. Meade, MD.
• Sarin was produced at Dyhernfurth (Dyhernfurth later fell into Russian hands). Its name derives from the initials of its developers: Gerhard Schrader and Otto Ambros from the infamous IG Farben chemical company—maker of the killing gases used at concentration camps—and from the names of two German Army officers.
• Schrader tells the story of inventing “tabun,” a nerve agent named after the English word “taboo.” The Germans called it 9/91 and, after their defeat at Stalingrad, seriously considered using it on the Russians.

Henry Wallace, former vice president and secretary of commerce, believed the scientists’ ideas could launch new civilian industries and produce jobs. Indeed, German scientists developed synthetic rubber (used in automobile tires), non-running hosiery, the ear thermometer, electromagnetic tape, and miniaturized electrical components, to name a few.

Werner von Braun is well known to those who remember the Apollo moon landing. During the Ford administration, von Braun was almost awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom—until one of Ford’s senior advisors, David Gergen, objected to his Nazi past.

Less well known is that another 120 fellow German scientists, engineers, and technicians developed the Saturn V launch vehicle, or that the Launch Operations Center at Cape Canaveral, Florida, was headed by Kurt Debus, an ardent Nazi. The Vertical Assembly Building—bigger in volume than the Pentagon and almost as tall as the Washington Monument—was designed by Bernhard Tessmann, former facilities designer at the German missile launch facility at Peenemuende.

Other prominent Nazis hired under Operation Paperclip included:

• Dr. Hubertus Strughold, who played an important role in space medicine by developing space suits and other life-support systems. In June 1948, he put a rhesus monkey named Albert in the pressurized nosecone of a V-2 rocket in a pressurized nose cone, the first step in the effort to send humans to space.
• General Reinhard Gehlen, former head of Nazi intelligence operations against the Soviets, was hired by the US Army and later by the CIA to operate 600 ex-Nazi agents in the Soviet zone of occupied Germany. In 1948, CIA Director Roscoe Hillenkoetter assumed control of the so-called Gehlen Organization.
• German biologist Dr. Kurt Blome was hired to develop offensive and defensive capabilities to counter Soviet biological warfare activities.

In 1949, the CIA created the Office of Scientific Intelligence. Its first director, Dr. Willard Machle, traveled to Germany to set up a special program to interrogate Soviet spies. The CIA believed the Russians had developed mind-control programs and wanted to know how US spies would hold up against this capability if caught. He also aimed to explore the feasibility of creating a “Manchurian candidate” through behavioral modification. Thus, Operation Bluebird was born. Bluebird, later called MKULTRA, was a research activity experimenting in behavioral engineering of humans. The Nuremberg Code prohibits experimentation with humans without their consent. During this program, Dr. Frank Olson, a US Army biological weapons researcher, was given the drug LSD without his knowledge, leading to his death by leaping from a building. DCI Richard Helms ordered much of the documentation destroyed, and the circumstances of his demise remain controversial to this day.

Although she understandably questions the morality of the decision to hire Nazi SS scientists, Jacobsen balances her judgment with an understanding of the perceived threat of the Soviet Union under Stalin and the communists’ dialectical determination to prepare for total war with the West. The Soviets similarly captured and used German scientists for their own defense programs. That side of the story is not covered in this book.

Jacobsen provides insights on joint intelligence coordination and cooperation among US services and Allies; operational deconfliction; document and foreign materiel acquisition and exploitation; interrogation techniques; active tracking; production of foreign intelligence; surveillance and countersurveillance methods; and negotiating the sometimes conflicting objectives of the judiciary and the Intelligence Community (i.e., “hang them” vs. “hire them!”)