We're all going to die!

What will happen when the Large Hadron Collider is turned on?

  • Earth will be destroyed.

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  • A black hole will engulf us all.

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  • The universe will explode

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  • Nothing

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  • We'll get smarter

    Votes: 1 100.0%
  • Open a door to a new dimension.

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TITOR RIGHT

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Re: We're all going to die!

Harte said:
The "doorway to another dimension" comes from the idea in string theory that there are 11 dimensions - 10 physical plus the dimension of time.

The other dimensions are speculated as being right here with us like the first three - just curled up real, real tight. So tight that the coils are comparable to the Planck legth.

The LHC might show evidence for the existence of these other 7 physical dimensions - not some "gateway" to the Outer Limits.

Harte




Not bad Harte I'm some what impressed, one or two questions, if you please...



11 dimensions - 10 physical plus the dimension of time.

Are you suggesting that time is not physical ? Elaborate if time is a separate form from physical dimensions, does time relate to all or can they be separated, if separate what is order of dimensions... describe as best you can for us ?slow learners?



he LHC might show evidence for the existence of these other 7 physical dimensions

Now I'm going to assume you are taking about ? god particle ? The Higgs boson
Higgs boson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

fundamental role: it gives mass to every elementary particle which should have mass, including the Higgs boson itself. In particular, the acquisition of a non-zero vacuum expectation value spontaneously breaks electroweak gauge symmetry, which scientists often refer to as the Higgs mechanism. This is the simplest mechanism capable of giving mass to the gauge bosons while remaining compatible with gauge theories. In essence, this field is analogous to a pool of molasses that "sticks" to the otherwise massless fundamental particles which travel through the field, converting them into particles with mass which form, for example, the components of atoms.

Can you explain why this is a scaler field and how your idea that time is not physical is represented in this theory ?? :confused::):rolleyes:

 

TITOR RIGHT

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Re: We're all going to die!

Harte said:
I just wanted to chime in here to state that the idea that the LHC is some kind of threat to the world is just silly.

The silliness of this idea, however, takes absolutely nothing away from the grave seriousness and demonstrable factitude of the thread's tiltle! ;)

Harte



[FONT=Arial Black, sans-serif]It appears Ms. South Carolina is not going to answer this one, I've given enough ?time?.... so I will leave you to ponder the facts.. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial Black, sans-serif]Fact one [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Black, sans-serif]Quantum Mechanics for Dummies - Electrons Are Weird[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial Black, sans-serif]This is accepted theory, means everything is in motion on some level. We are empty space with probable locations of electrons revolving around neutrons and protons ...[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial Black, sans-serif]Hence first level dimension must be ?TIME?, with out time, measurement of motion nothing exist, at least not to us.. You will not find this thought in a book or movie it is basic to thinking...[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial Black, sans-serif]If you ponder and consider what the next two supposed dimensions to be, the first or single, and second or two dimensional, are only possible in math and are not reflected in the real world, because every being constructed of particles in motion is ?three dimensional ?. There are no one dimensional realities for us accept in math, as represented by a ?line?. The closest real world represented form, is a diffraction edge of an energy beam like a laser, in theory this could be described in our math structures. The problem is to create an edge on a beam the beam is already three dimensional, you're taking a theoretical slice of a perfect line. I believe you would still need ?time? as base dimension because a beam is traveling in time it has a ?speed? ....[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial Black, sans-serif]So you are stuck in ?three D? can barely theorize the two dimensions that are already in your physical realm. Because you can not brake apart the three forms of physical reality, because everything is pieces parts moving around very very fast?[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial Black, sans-serif]OK so the point was ?we are all going to DIE?, agreed , ?Harte? hopefully not all at the same time, is what I believe the author's intent was for this thread. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial Black, sans-serif]The same argument was considered once before when we were ready to test the ?Atomic Bomb?, it was thought that this too would start an irreversible chain reaction while breaking matter apart to release energy. This time they want to smash two particles together to create a possible ?mass? maybe ?dark matter? but in theory a small rip in ?time? where all mass is consumed even light (E=MC2). Couple of terms here , stranglet [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial Black, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A strangelet is a hypothetical object consisting of a bound state of roughly equal numbers of up, down, and strange quarks. The size would be a minimum of a few femtometers across (with the mass of a light nucleus). Once the size becomes macroscopic (on the order of meters across), such an object is usually called a quark star or "strange star" rather than a strangelet. An equivalent description is that a strangelet is a small fragment of strange matter. The term "strangelet" originates with E. Farhi and R. Jaffe.[1] Strangelets have been suggested as a dark matter candidate.[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]At heavy ion accelerators like RHIC, nuclei are collided at relativistic speeds, creating strange and antistrange quarks which could conceivably lead to strangelet production. The experimental signature of a strangelet would be its very high ratio of mass to charge, which would cause its trajectory in a magnetic field to be extremely straight. The STAR collaboration has searched for strangelets produced at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider[6], but none were found. The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is even less likely to produce strangelets[7], but searches are planned[8] for the LHC ALICE detector.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Pauli exclusion principle is a quantum mechanical principle formulated by Wolfgang Pauli in 1925. It states that no two identical fermions may occupy the same quantum state simultaneously. A more rigorous statement of this principle is that, for two identical fermions, the total wave function is anti-symmetric. For electrons in a single atom, it states that no two electrons can have the same four quantum numbers, that is, if n, l, and ml are the same, ms must be different such that the electrons have opposite spins.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Pauli exclusion principle is one of the most important principles in physics, primarily because the three types of particles from which ordinary matter is made?electrons, protons, and neutrons?are all subject to it; consequently, all material particles exhibit space-occupying behavior. The Pauli exclusion principle underpins many of the characteristic properties of matter from the large-scale stability of matter to the existence of the periodic table of the elements. Particles with antisymmetric wave functions are called fermions?and obey the Pauli exclusion principle. Apart from the familiar electron, proton and neutron, these include neutrinos and quarks (from which protons and neutrons are made), as well as some atoms like helium-3. All fermions possess "half-integer spin", meaning that they possess an intrinsic angular momentum whose value is \hbar = h/2\pi (Planck's constant divided by 2[/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, sans-serif]π) times a half-integer (1/2, 3/2, 5/2, etc.). In the theory of quantum mechanics, fermions are described by "antisymmetric states", which are explained in greater detail in the article on identical particles. Particles with integer spin have a symmetric wave function and are called bosons; in contrast to fermions, they may share the same quantum states. Examples of bosons include the photon, the Cooper pairs responsible for superconductivity, and the W and Z bosons.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial Black, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A strangelet is a hypothetical object consisting of a bound state of roughly equal numbers of up, down, and strange quarks. The size would be a minimum of a few femtometers across (with the mass of a light nucleus). Once the size becomes macroscopic (on the order of meters across), such an object is usually called a quark star or "strange star" rather than a strangelet. An equivalent description is that a strangelet is a small fragment of strange matter. The term "strangelet" originates with E. Farhi and R. Jaffe.[1] Strangelets have been suggested as a dark matter candidate.[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]At heavy ion accelerators like RHIC, nuclei are collided at relativistic speeds, creating strange and antistrange quarks which could conceivably lead to strangelet production. The experimental signature of a strangelet would be its very high ratio of mass to charge, which would cause its trajectory in a magnetic field to be extremely straight. The STAR collaboration has searched for strangelets produced at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider[6], but none were found. The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is even less likely to produce strangelets[7], but searches are planned[8] for the LHC ALICE detector.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Pauli exclusion principle is a quantum mechanical principle formulated by Wolfgang Pauli in 1925. It states that no two identical fermions may occupy the same quantum state simultaneously. A more rigorous statement of this principle is that, for two identical fermions, the total wave function is anti-symmetric. For electrons in a single atom, it states that no two electrons can have the same four quantum numbers, that is, if n, l, and ml are the same, ms must be different such that the electrons have opposite spins.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Pauli exclusion principle is one of the most important principles in physics, primarily because the three types of particles from which ordinary matter is made?electrons, protons, and neutrons?are all subject to it; consequently, all material particles exhibit space-occupying behavior. The Pauli exclusion principle underpins many of the characteristic properties of matter from the large-scale stability of matter to the existence of the periodic table of the elements. Particles with antisymmetric wave functions are called fermions?and obey the Pauli exclusion principle. Apart from the familiar electron, proton and neutron, these include neutrinos and quarks (from which protons and neutrons are made), as well as some atoms like helium-3. All fermions possess "half-integer spin", meaning that they possess an intrinsic angular momentum whose value is \hbar = h/2\pi (Planck's constant divided by 2[/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, sans-serif]π) times a half-integer (1/2, 3/2, 5/2, etc.). In the theory of quantum mechanics, fermions are described by "antisymmetric states", which are explained in greater detail in the article on identical particles. Particles with integer spin have a symmetric wave function and are called bosons; in contrast to fermions, they may share the same quantum states. Examples of bosons include the photon, the Cooper pairs responsible for superconductivity, and the W and Z bosons.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial Greek, sans-serif]For example, consider a neutral helium atom, which has two bound electrons. Both of these electrons can occupy the lowest-energy (1s) states by acquiring opposite spin. This does not violate the Pauli principle because spin is part of the quantum state of the electron, so the two electrons are occupying different quantum states. However, the spin can take only two different values (or eigenvalues). In a lithium atom, which contains three bound electrons, the third electron cannot fit into a 1s state, and has to occupy one of the higher-energy 2s states instead. Similarly, successive elements produce successively higher-energy shells. The chemical properties of an element largely depend on the number of electrons in the outermost shell, which gives rise to the periodic table of the elements.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Once again, no matter what, motion is required to describe system, such as "spin" axis rotation or "electromagnetic charge" charge state [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial Black, sans-serif]Now consider when first trying to release energy from E=MC2nd power , they could not over come resistance because they were trying to hit particles of same charge, both positive charges being slammed together required more energy than amount released. They over came this by using a neutral particle ?Neutron? which allowed the release of even more ?Neutrons? causing a chain reaction. Now we are going to try the opposite slamming two negative charges together , hoping to observe smaller particles or parts that are some how effected or trapped in ?TIME? our three D world. The fear is that a ?black hole? might be produced[/FONT]


According to Einstein's theory of general relativity, a black hole is a region of space in which the gravitational field is so powerful that nothing, including electromagnetic radiation (e.g. visible light), can escape its pull after having fallen past its event horizon. The term derives from the fact that absorption of visible light renders the hole's interior invisible, and indistinguishable from the black space around it. However, some in the scientific community believe there may be evidence demonstrating that a black hole is a two dimensional object extant in three dimensional space. [2] In addition, they believe these results may indicate a solution to the black hole information-loss paradox and that we live in a holographic world.


[FONT=Arial Black, sans-serif]The first is that time and space are not two independent concepts, but are interrelated forming a single continuum, spacetime. This continuum has some special properties. An object is not free to move around spacetime at will; it must always move forward in time and cannot change its position in space faster than the speed of light. This is the main result of the theory of special relativity. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial Black, sans-serif]Micro black holes (also mini black holes) have masses much less than that of a star. At these sizes, the effects of quantum mechanics are expected to come into play. There is no known mechanism for them to form via normal processes of stellar evolution, but certain inflationary scenarios predicted their production during the early stages of the evolution of the universe. According to some theories of quantum gravity they may also be produced in the highly energetic reaction produced by cosmic rays hitting the atmosphere or even in particle accelerators such as the Large Hadron Collider. The theory of Hawking radiation predicts that such black holes will evaporate in bright flashes of gamma radiation. NASA's Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope satellite (formerly GLAST), launched in 2008, will search for such flashes as one of its scientific objectives. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial Black, sans-serif]Now ponder this, the only real representation of two dimensional reality is a ?picture?, this is a record of light and motion in the past, trapped in a reality of ?NO TIME? it is proof that a dimension next to us exist and it is limited to perception, you can not repeat it ?RIGHT?... If the past can be proven, the future can be ?expected? can it be inspected like the past... next conversation Ether , next closest dimension ???? ?H? hates Cayce, think we can get him to play, can not be any worse than ?Ms. Jr. South Carolina ?. :D:D:D[/FONT]
 

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