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<blockquote data-quote="Judge Bean" data-source="post: 21110" data-attributes="member: 42"><p><strong>Re: 9/11 Revisited Again</strong></p><p></p><p>Pyro:</p><p> </p><p>Take a deep breath.</p><p> </p><p>The world will still be here tomorrow, and next year. The End of the World isn't scheduled to coincide with the end of your childhood.</p><p> </p><p>Bad things that happen come in degrees of badness, in levels of evil, in subtle shades of meaning, and sometimes nearly imperceptibly. Quantum leaps of badness are rare; false attributions of evil are common.</p><p> </p><p>Good things come in the same protean style. In fact, it's sometimes difficult to tell the good from the bad because they behave so much alike. You can be poisoned by a can of yummy tuna: your very last lunch. You can marry her for love and she'll leave you for the very same reason. You can spend decades hating your parents and then lo! discover that they love you and were right all the time.</p><p> </p><p>Bush is bad, but not as bad as, say, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, or Adolf Hitler. And Clinton and Reagan may have been just as bad as Bush. </p><p> </p><p>The government of the U.S. may have had a hand in starting every war we've ever been in, and may have blown up the Maine, forced the Secessionist hand, and ignored the warnings before Pearl Harbor. Nevertheless, some of these wars we should have gotten into sooner than we did. We were right to fight the Germans both times, but not necessarily to wait. We were wrong to fight Mexico, Spain, and Vietnam, and probably right to fight North Korea and Iraq the first time.</p><p> </p><p>If it emerges that the feds blew up their own building in Oklahoma City and on 911, and took down the twin towers, or allowed all of these buildings to be attacked, would this change the answer to whether or not we should have invaded the Middle East? If they had not passed the Patriot Act, would this make them any less an outlaw regime?</p><p> </p><p>If another ten years goes by and you look back to see a history of the usual kind-- not a series of dramatic upheavals, no apocalyptic holocaust, a bent but still living government, a healing land and people, will you be disappointed?</p><p> </p><p>911 was not a natural disaster, was not an Act of God, and, in the broad sweep of things, comparably not really much of an event in terms of the number of lives lost. It was just a crime; just a really big, evil, criminal act. A mass murder. We ought not to let ourselves to be defined by such a thing. Whoever did it will not be able to hide forever, but will face judgment. </p><p> </p><p>For the sake of argument, let's say that the government colluded or acquiesced in the crime. How does this change the fact that the current federal authorities are part of a long, long history of criminal authorities committing crimes with the power of public office? Does it make them more criminal?</p><p> </p><p>They have bled and starved and robbed the people for so long that are not even aware that they are not entitled to do so. I would not be surprised to see conclusive evidence of the government being involved in 911; I would be surprised if the government had never been involved in any such thing for the past century.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Judge Bean, post: 21110, member: 42"] [b]Re: 9/11 Revisited Again[/b] Pyro: Take a deep breath. The world will still be here tomorrow, and next year. The End of the World isn't scheduled to coincide with the end of your childhood. Bad things that happen come in degrees of badness, in levels of evil, in subtle shades of meaning, and sometimes nearly imperceptibly. Quantum leaps of badness are rare; false attributions of evil are common. Good things come in the same protean style. In fact, it's sometimes difficult to tell the good from the bad because they behave so much alike. You can be poisoned by a can of yummy tuna: your very last lunch. You can marry her for love and she'll leave you for the very same reason. You can spend decades hating your parents and then lo! discover that they love you and were right all the time. Bush is bad, but not as bad as, say, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, or Adolf Hitler. And Clinton and Reagan may have been just as bad as Bush. The government of the U.S. may have had a hand in starting every war we've ever been in, and may have blown up the Maine, forced the Secessionist hand, and ignored the warnings before Pearl Harbor. Nevertheless, some of these wars we should have gotten into sooner than we did. We were right to fight the Germans both times, but not necessarily to wait. We were wrong to fight Mexico, Spain, and Vietnam, and probably right to fight North Korea and Iraq the first time. If it emerges that the feds blew up their own building in Oklahoma City and on 911, and took down the twin towers, or allowed all of these buildings to be attacked, would this change the answer to whether or not we should have invaded the Middle East? If they had not passed the Patriot Act, would this make them any less an outlaw regime? If another ten years goes by and you look back to see a history of the usual kind-- not a series of dramatic upheavals, no apocalyptic holocaust, a bent but still living government, a healing land and people, will you be disappointed? 911 was not a natural disaster, was not an Act of God, and, in the broad sweep of things, comparably not really much of an event in terms of the number of lives lost. It was just a crime; just a really big, evil, criminal act. A mass murder. We ought not to let ourselves to be defined by such a thing. Whoever did it will not be able to hide forever, but will face judgment. For the sake of argument, let's say that the government colluded or acquiesced in the crime. How does this change the fact that the current federal authorities are part of a long, long history of criminal authorities committing crimes with the power of public office? Does it make them more criminal? They have bled and starved and robbed the people for so long that are not even aware that they are not entitled to do so. I would not be surprised to see conclusive evidence of the government being involved in 911; I would be surprised if the government had never been involved in any such thing for the past century. [/QUOTE]
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