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<blockquote data-quote="Grayson" data-source="post: 13952" data-attributes="member: 18"><p><strong>Britain starts their own Patriot Act</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We have a Labour Government in power at the moment, hmph, most likely will after the next election too.</p><p></p><p>A curious thing has ocurred under this Labour Government/Administration. The Police, HNU, MI6, MI5 and Scotland Yard's Anti-Terrorism Branch have all gotten new powers to enforce both the Law and the Anti-Terrorism Act, yet they have all seen manpower cuts in real terms due to the numbers of Officers dedicated to this new end. PACE, the Police And Criminal Evidence regulations have been suspended in the face of Acts of terror however, thus cutting down the paperwork needed to hold an alleged Terrorist/sympathiser on suspicion of a crime. So, the nett effect has been to make it harder to enforce the <em>real</em> Laws of the land and easier to detain a person on the much more serious charge of Terrorism, without evidence or trial... indefinitely if they want.</p><p></p><p>Which is a very odd situation for the UK to be in, as we have been dealing with Acts of Terror for decades now as a result of our attempts to suppress the free Irish people of Eire. Curiously, these measures fall into line with the American view of how these plotters and demons against democracy should be dealt with for plotting against Western supremacy. It is worth noting that America never supported the British occupation of Ireland, at a time when American Nuclear Missiles were on English soil, not Welsh or Scottish, to defend Western Europe against the might of the Red Army. America vehemently opposed any efforts by the British Government to bring such a powerful Act into force, repeatedly. So now we're pals and share a common cause, we are allowed to vigourously root out and punish Terrorsists, not Irish terrorists of course, just those Middle-Eastern bad guys.</p><p></p><p>I am all in favour of punishing Terrorism, the kind that is perpetrated against the young, the innocent and those who simply go about their daily lives, emphatically so. What gets me to thinking though, is this. When does a terrorist cease to be so and at what point do they transcend into being Freedom Fighters? I ask this because we, the West have supported, promoted and paid Freedom Fighters for a long time, in various theatres across the Globe. In their attempts to free oppressed people's, civilians have been killed and their deaths dressed up as collateral damage, the acceptable cost of Freedom or simply been ignored by the Policy Makers and News Breakers. I suppose that those non-compliant Governments saw these Western funded Freedom Fighters as terrorists also, but they were not right in this view apparently, because if you fight for Democracy you can't logically be a Terrorist can you?</p><p></p><p>Now, some of you may read this and get all antsy about it, may think that I am taking a pop at America, the West, or snidely supporting the Terrorists that we are facing coming out of the Middle-East at the moment. some may think that I am being disrespectful to the memories of those that died at the World Trade Centre disaster on 911. Well, you would be wrong, it is merely an argumentative point of view. If you are gonna get upset about this, don't reply and try to get snotty, it ain't worth it.</p><p></p><p>I would add one final point to this, much has been said in memory of the of the 911 Souls, many have been the lamentations since the event and angry is the heart of America since this heinous act was committed on US soil. The UK lost many times more innocent civilians during the Northern Ireland Crisis through the bombing of bars, shopping centres, street car bombs, drive by shootings and mortar attacks, than America has so far. I lost a cousin to the Warrington bomb planted by the IRA and he was Southern Irish... fate can be cruel with a twisted sense of irony. We see the pain, we know the fear, we lived the nightmare for decades and we were never allowed to vent our anger as you do in America now. Maybe not as a people, but as a Government in possession of an Army by the Will of the people. We have a lot of frustration to get rid of and your Government has given permission to unleash it... that may yet be a decision that we all come to regret in time. </p><p></p><p>God forbid that a Conservative Government comes into power with the Anti-Terrorism Act in its back pocket.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Grayson, post: 13952, member: 18"] [b]Britain starts their own Patriot Act[/b] We have a Labour Government in power at the moment, hmph, most likely will after the next election too. A curious thing has ocurred under this Labour Government/Administration. The Police, HNU, MI6, MI5 and Scotland Yard's Anti-Terrorism Branch have all gotten new powers to enforce both the Law and the Anti-Terrorism Act, yet they have all seen manpower cuts in real terms due to the numbers of Officers dedicated to this new end. PACE, the Police And Criminal Evidence regulations have been suspended in the face of Acts of terror however, thus cutting down the paperwork needed to hold an alleged Terrorist/sympathiser on suspicion of a crime. So, the nett effect has been to make it harder to enforce the [i]real[/i] Laws of the land and easier to detain a person on the much more serious charge of Terrorism, without evidence or trial... indefinitely if they want. Which is a very odd situation for the UK to be in, as we have been dealing with Acts of Terror for decades now as a result of our attempts to suppress the free Irish people of Eire. Curiously, these measures fall into line with the American view of how these plotters and demons against democracy should be dealt with for plotting against Western supremacy. It is worth noting that America never supported the British occupation of Ireland, at a time when American Nuclear Missiles were on English soil, not Welsh or Scottish, to defend Western Europe against the might of the Red Army. America vehemently opposed any efforts by the British Government to bring such a powerful Act into force, repeatedly. So now we're pals and share a common cause, we are allowed to vigourously root out and punish Terrorsists, not Irish terrorists of course, just those Middle-Eastern bad guys. I am all in favour of punishing Terrorism, the kind that is perpetrated against the young, the innocent and those who simply go about their daily lives, emphatically so. What gets me to thinking though, is this. When does a terrorist cease to be so and at what point do they transcend into being Freedom Fighters? I ask this because we, the West have supported, promoted and paid Freedom Fighters for a long time, in various theatres across the Globe. In their attempts to free oppressed people's, civilians have been killed and their deaths dressed up as collateral damage, the acceptable cost of Freedom or simply been ignored by the Policy Makers and News Breakers. I suppose that those non-compliant Governments saw these Western funded Freedom Fighters as terrorists also, but they were not right in this view apparently, because if you fight for Democracy you can't logically be a Terrorist can you? Now, some of you may read this and get all antsy about it, may think that I am taking a pop at America, the West, or snidely supporting the Terrorists that we are facing coming out of the Middle-East at the moment. some may think that I am being disrespectful to the memories of those that died at the World Trade Centre disaster on 911. Well, you would be wrong, it is merely an argumentative point of view. If you are gonna get upset about this, don't reply and try to get snotty, it ain't worth it. I would add one final point to this, much has been said in memory of the of the 911 Souls, many have been the lamentations since the event and angry is the heart of America since this heinous act was committed on US soil. The UK lost many times more innocent civilians during the Northern Ireland Crisis through the bombing of bars, shopping centres, street car bombs, drive by shootings and mortar attacks, than America has so far. I lost a cousin to the Warrington bomb planted by the IRA and he was Southern Irish... fate can be cruel with a twisted sense of irony. We see the pain, we know the fear, we lived the nightmare for decades and we were never allowed to vent our anger as you do in America now. Maybe not as a people, but as a Government in possession of an Army by the Will of the people. We have a lot of frustration to get rid of and your Government has given permission to unleash it... that may yet be a decision that we all come to regret in time. God forbid that a Conservative Government comes into power with the Anti-Terrorism Act in its back pocket. [/QUOTE]
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