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<blockquote data-quote="dancho" data-source="post: 14303" data-attributes="member: 245"><p><strong>Bush Admin Lax on Civil Rights Enforcement</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now let me get this straight. </p><p></p><p>We have "lawbreakers" (convicts) and we have "truly innocent people" (non-convicts). </p><p></p><p>"Truly innocent people" are rare indeed. I've never met one. The Christian faith (for example) claims that this type of person does not exist (except for Jesus). But there are other sects that will allow for the existence of various "saints" that are more-or-less innocent-- so I'll allow that these extremely rare persons are out there-- somewhere. I assume that you belong to this group?</p><p></p><p>Now the subject of "rights" is an interesting one from a legal point of view. "Rights" is a very difficult philosophical concept, and it comes from a Christian tradition. But even if we toss aside the idea that "all have sinned" as well as the notion that "all human beings are children of God and deserving of respect" then we have a problem establishing a legal system that is not based on revenge and retribution. Suffering my help to purify the soul, but I'm going to assume that you do not want to scourge the devil from evil-doers with hot iron (as in The Inquisition).</p><p></p><p>So if revenge and retribution is what you want, then the proper philosophical basis for that system would be that of Nietzsche-- "i.e., what does not kill me makes me stronger." This does seem to be the current secular foundation for the prison system, in that convicts forfeit all claims to humanity and are, in fact, schooled in the methods and means of the enslaved. </p><p></p><p>The problem with this view of the world, as Nietzsche so clearly pointed out, is that when you "gaze too long into the abyss" the "abyss gazes back into you." If you take all of the small time crack-dealers and pimps and prostitutes and drunks and pistol packers out there and force them through the "system"-- you will create monsters, not "reformed citizens" or "saved souls" or even "dead bodies." You create a better criminal-- with more skill and a new outlook, taught by your prisons, to live in a brutal, kill or be killed manner that I'm sure no sane person would actually endorse as a good way to educate the millions who enter our prisons.</p><p></p><p>If you are going to hold the point of view that criminals deserve no consideration, then you should be sensible enough to recommend that they all be hanged, as was the custom for centuries. Abandon the pretense that you have mercy, and embrace the merciless choice you have already made.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dancho, post: 14303, member: 245"] [b]Bush Admin Lax on Civil Rights Enforcement[/b] Now let me get this straight. We have "lawbreakers" (convicts) and we have "truly innocent people" (non-convicts). "Truly innocent people" are rare indeed. I've never met one. The Christian faith (for example) claims that this type of person does not exist (except for Jesus). But there are other sects that will allow for the existence of various "saints" that are more-or-less innocent-- so I'll allow that these extremely rare persons are out there-- somewhere. I assume that you belong to this group? Now the subject of "rights" is an interesting one from a legal point of view. "Rights" is a very difficult philosophical concept, and it comes from a Christian tradition. But even if we toss aside the idea that "all have sinned" as well as the notion that "all human beings are children of God and deserving of respect" then we have a problem establishing a legal system that is not based on revenge and retribution. Suffering my help to purify the soul, but I'm going to assume that you do not want to scourge the devil from evil-doers with hot iron (as in The Inquisition). So if revenge and retribution is what you want, then the proper philosophical basis for that system would be that of Nietzsche-- "i.e., what does not kill me makes me stronger." This does seem to be the current secular foundation for the prison system, in that convicts forfeit all claims to humanity and are, in fact, schooled in the methods and means of the enslaved. The problem with this view of the world, as Nietzsche so clearly pointed out, is that when you "gaze too long into the abyss" the "abyss gazes back into you." If you take all of the small time crack-dealers and pimps and prostitutes and drunks and pistol packers out there and force them through the "system"-- you will create monsters, not "reformed citizens" or "saved souls" or even "dead bodies." You create a better criminal-- with more skill and a new outlook, taught by your prisons, to live in a brutal, kill or be killed manner that I'm sure no sane person would actually endorse as a good way to educate the millions who enter our prisons. If you are going to hold the point of view that criminals deserve no consideration, then you should be sensible enough to recommend that they all be hanged, as was the custom for centuries. Abandon the pretense that you have mercy, and embrace the merciless choice you have already made. [/QUOTE]
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