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Bush Did Not Win the Election?
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<blockquote data-quote="phase12" data-source="post: 13318" data-attributes="member: 281"><p><strong>Bush Did Not Win the Election?</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Rightly so, but wasn't that what I was doing in relation to what you were saying as well?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I can't argue with that research for multiple reasons. One being; I haven't looked at the research. The other being; it sounds logical to me anyway. </p><p></p><p>I'm not sure how much this would apply to the president, however. He quit heavy drinking in his 30's, and I've known plenty of practicing alcoholics in their 50's and 60's that sound better drunk than he does sober. I'll just say this much, he's not a very good public speaker, to say the least. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, my point was to spend time AA to see what alcoholic behavour really is, before determining whether the President, or any other person you may deem to be a "dry drunk" by the definition that I gave of it. There are plenty of people I have met at meetings that have been "dry drunks" for years before finally coming to AA, and explaining that without the system, they still had the same emotional and character problems before working the program, and singing its praises. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I knew (and mentioned this already) that you would use that statement as ammunition against the President. I simply disagree with you on this one. He exhibits no alcoholic tendencies in my opinion, but that's a given when one mentions character and flaws in this man, we're simply not going to agree because we are on opposite ends in our opinion of him and what he is doing. You despise him and what he is doing, I have the opposite view. So no big surprise there.</p><p></p><p>On a quick thought, we're bothing assuming he was an alcoholic, at least in this arguement. Heavy drinking at a certain part in your life doesn't necessarily make you an alcoholic. It is a disease. Some people just party too much in school, then drop it, for example, with no issues or problems. Others (like several of my family members) drank alot at certain points in their life, and became social drinkers later, and had no problems with their lifes. That's neither here nor there, I just that I'd throw that out, just in case Mr. Bush was not an alcoholic. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't know about that. I've had good laugh about it with at least a couple of people that were anything but Bush supporters, but hey, everyone is different.</p><p></p><p>About my encounter with that man in the subway. I think we just got our wires completely crossed. I was under the impression you were suggesting I was spreading some sort of urban myth or something along those lines. Apparently I misunderstood. Fact of it is, my practical side does tell me that the man I encountered was just an injured man that might have been medicated, kinda looney, or simply meant what he said... that it was an interesting year. Trust me, I want to believe he was a time traveller. That's why I'm on this board, afterall: Time Travel. I suppose I was under the false impression that you were suggesting that I must have been fibbing on the subject. That, in large part, comes from certain insecurity, I will admit. The general public looks at me like I'm insane if I bring something like that up. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think that's great. The government has always lied to us on multiple scales, and very many like yourself think it's reaching a boiling point. I just happen to not be one of them. That doesn't mean I don't think these areas shouldn't be explored, I'm just not agreeing with many of the accusations and possible conclusions. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, I do know. I've run several discussion boards that had federal agents as members, in disguise. But then again, we dealt with an illegal subject matter. But yeah, I am aware of the survellience. I think it's generally bad, but there are of course two sides the issue. If they can track down terrorists via this method, great. If they start reading my email, well, I hope they don't start forwarding around those pictures of me hanging naked from a tree limb doing my tarzan act when I got drunk at my HS graduation party back in '93.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As far as I know, the President does no longer have a drinking problem. The majority of Congress does, however, both parties. This has been a Washington mainstay forever. At least Teddy looks like he is cleaning up his act. He no longer looks like a giant tomato head. </p><p></p><p>I do agree this is an age of lowered expectations, though as you might guess, I don't think this President is an example of it. Clinton... well, low expectations in the moral and self-control department, but I've yet to see a better politician, though I guess that's not really a compliment, now is it? :huh: </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's no biggie Paul. I know I'm not exactly a peach. </p><p></p><p>And yes.... <em>Bush</em>. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite39" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="phase12, post: 13318, member: 281"] [b]Bush Did Not Win the Election?[/b] Rightly so, but wasn't that what I was doing in relation to what you were saying as well? I can't argue with that research for multiple reasons. One being; I haven't looked at the research. The other being; it sounds logical to me anyway. I'm not sure how much this would apply to the president, however. He quit heavy drinking in his 30's, and I've known plenty of practicing alcoholics in their 50's and 60's that sound better drunk than he does sober. I'll just say this much, he's not a very good public speaker, to say the least. Actually, my point was to spend time AA to see what alcoholic behavour really is, before determining whether the President, or any other person you may deem to be a "dry drunk" by the definition that I gave of it. There are plenty of people I have met at meetings that have been "dry drunks" for years before finally coming to AA, and explaining that without the system, they still had the same emotional and character problems before working the program, and singing its praises. I knew (and mentioned this already) that you would use that statement as ammunition against the President. I simply disagree with you on this one. He exhibits no alcoholic tendencies in my opinion, but that's a given when one mentions character and flaws in this man, we're simply not going to agree because we are on opposite ends in our opinion of him and what he is doing. You despise him and what he is doing, I have the opposite view. So no big surprise there. On a quick thought, we're bothing assuming he was an alcoholic, at least in this arguement. Heavy drinking at a certain part in your life doesn't necessarily make you an alcoholic. It is a disease. Some people just party too much in school, then drop it, for example, with no issues or problems. Others (like several of my family members) drank alot at certain points in their life, and became social drinkers later, and had no problems with their lifes. That's neither here nor there, I just that I'd throw that out, just in case Mr. Bush was not an alcoholic. I don't know about that. I've had good laugh about it with at least a couple of people that were anything but Bush supporters, but hey, everyone is different. About my encounter with that man in the subway. I think we just got our wires completely crossed. I was under the impression you were suggesting I was spreading some sort of urban myth or something along those lines. Apparently I misunderstood. Fact of it is, my practical side does tell me that the man I encountered was just an injured man that might have been medicated, kinda looney, or simply meant what he said... that it was an interesting year. Trust me, I want to believe he was a time traveller. That's why I'm on this board, afterall: Time Travel. I suppose I was under the false impression that you were suggesting that I must have been fibbing on the subject. That, in large part, comes from certain insecurity, I will admit. The general public looks at me like I'm insane if I bring something like that up. I think that's great. The government has always lied to us on multiple scales, and very many like yourself think it's reaching a boiling point. I just happen to not be one of them. That doesn't mean I don't think these areas shouldn't be explored, I'm just not agreeing with many of the accusations and possible conclusions. Yes, I do know. I've run several discussion boards that had federal agents as members, in disguise. But then again, we dealt with an illegal subject matter. But yeah, I am aware of the survellience. I think it's generally bad, but there are of course two sides the issue. If they can track down terrorists via this method, great. If they start reading my email, well, I hope they don't start forwarding around those pictures of me hanging naked from a tree limb doing my tarzan act when I got drunk at my HS graduation party back in '93. As far as I know, the President does no longer have a drinking problem. The majority of Congress does, however, both parties. This has been a Washington mainstay forever. At least Teddy looks like he is cleaning up his act. He no longer looks like a giant tomato head. I do agree this is an age of lowered expectations, though as you might guess, I don't think this President is an example of it. Clinton... well, low expectations in the moral and self-control department, but I've yet to see a better politician, though I guess that's not really a compliment, now is it? :huh: It's no biggie Paul. I know I'm not exactly a peach. And yes.... [i]Bush[/i]. ;) [/QUOTE]
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