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<blockquote data-quote="Kairos" data-source="post: 174115" data-attributes="member: 10263"><p>For there to be a left-right axis, there must be a quality that spans the entire axis, including on the right. The quality has to invert as you cross some zero point.</p><p></p><p>Breaking down everybody's political ideas into a cartesian coordinate system is ridiculous. Just for the purpose of general discourse, I guess you have to use the "left" as the signifier for the people who want to destroy western civilization. I prefer degenerate, personally, but whatever.</p><p></p><p>edit:</p><p></p><p>This quality has to be more than just some one thing (like property rights). It has to make the fundamental distinction that differentiates everybody along this axis. Certainly you can use something like property rights, but that's not a very meaningful representation of the political ideas out there.</p><p></p><p>The -- in my opinion -- correct and intellectually honest way to look at politics is as collections of values and philosophical arguments. Comparing and contrasting them is fine, but trying to organize them into some political space is nonsensical. We don't do that with any other philosophical systems. Is Sartre's existentialism twenty points to the left of St. Thomas's Aristotelianism? Think about how absurd this is.</p><p></p><p>When I use the word "left", I really just mean the collection of ideologies and values that are bent towards the destruction of western civilization and natural rights, and embrace a culture of death. There are several broad groups in there that don't actually share the same philosophical arguments at all. Their intermediate goals might be similar, but their motivations and their teleological ends are totally different.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kairos, post: 174115, member: 10263"] For there to be a left-right axis, there must be a quality that spans the entire axis, including on the right. The quality has to invert as you cross some zero point. Breaking down everybody's political ideas into a cartesian coordinate system is ridiculous. Just for the purpose of general discourse, I guess you have to use the "left" as the signifier for the people who want to destroy western civilization. I prefer degenerate, personally, but whatever. edit: This quality has to be more than just some one thing (like property rights). It has to make the fundamental distinction that differentiates everybody along this axis. Certainly you can use something like property rights, but that's not a very meaningful representation of the political ideas out there. The -- in my opinion -- correct and intellectually honest way to look at politics is as collections of values and philosophical arguments. Comparing and contrasting them is fine, but trying to organize them into some political space is nonsensical. We don't do that with any other philosophical systems. Is Sartre's existentialism twenty points to the left of St. Thomas's Aristotelianism? Think about how absurd this is. When I use the word "left", I really just mean the collection of ideologies and values that are bent towards the destruction of western civilization and natural rights, and embrace a culture of death. There are several broad groups in there that don't actually share the same philosophical arguments at all. Their intermediate goals might be similar, but their motivations and their teleological ends are totally different. [/QUOTE]
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