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Could it be the theories are wrong..
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<blockquote data-quote="Harte" data-source="post: 22106" data-attributes="member: 443"><p><strong>Re: Could it be the theories are wrong..</strong></p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"thenumbersix\")</div></p><p>There is no proving you wrong except in that you don't go far enough. Both speed and gravity cause time dilation.</p><p>Time dilation caused by high speeds has been documented under laboratory conditions. Most people use the two atomic clock example but there are others. For example certain unstable particles can only exist for a split second before breaking down into their constituent particles. Such particles can be observed having longer lives in proportion to the speed at which they are moving as the leave the particle accelerator. The extra time granted to the particle coincides exactly with the predicted relativistic effect of time dilation due to the high speed of the particle.</p><p> </p><p>Space has to be mightily curved to cause observable time dilation, in the same way that speed has to be mighty high. Our position in the earth's gravity well has more effect on our time than the gravity well of the sun. That is because we are deeper into the earth's well (obviously, if we weren't we'd be sucked off the earth by the sun.) </p><p>Anyway, were we to escape from these various gravity wells, time would speed up for us, not slow down. </p><p> </p><p>Several years ago I read an interesting refutation to the idea of possible locality being involved in the operation of physical laws. I defy anyone to state exactly what is meant by local. Dont forget, the sun is moving through the galaxy, the galaxy is moving with respect to the local group and the local group is moving with respect to nearby galactic clusters. There is no way to know how fast we are going because we have no spot that is at rest to compare to. So how can we say that we haven't already covered a large percentage of the available space? And the laws ain't changed here. QED</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harte, post: 22106, member: 443"] [b]Re: Could it be the theories are wrong..[/b] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"thenumbersix\")</div> There is no proving you wrong except in that you don't go far enough. Both speed and gravity cause time dilation. Time dilation caused by high speeds has been documented under laboratory conditions. Most people use the two atomic clock example but there are others. For example certain unstable particles can only exist for a split second before breaking down into their constituent particles. Such particles can be observed having longer lives in proportion to the speed at which they are moving as the leave the particle accelerator. The extra time granted to the particle coincides exactly with the predicted relativistic effect of time dilation due to the high speed of the particle. Space has to be mightily curved to cause observable time dilation, in the same way that speed has to be mighty high. Our position in the earth's gravity well has more effect on our time than the gravity well of the sun. That is because we are deeper into the earth's well (obviously, if we weren't we'd be sucked off the earth by the sun.) Anyway, were we to escape from these various gravity wells, time would speed up for us, not slow down. Several years ago I read an interesting refutation to the idea of possible locality being involved in the operation of physical laws. I defy anyone to state exactly what is meant by local. Dont forget, the sun is moving through the galaxy, the galaxy is moving with respect to the local group and the local group is moving with respect to nearby galactic clusters. There is no way to know how fast we are going because we have no spot that is at rest to compare to. So how can we say that we haven't already covered a large percentage of the available space? And the laws ain't changed here. QED [/QUOTE]
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