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<blockquote data-quote="Cirrus" data-source="post: 178630" data-attributes="member: 10493"><p>It's semantics <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite38" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />. There's been multiple iterations. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll agree with you there. I'd like to say that I was making a point with that comment based on the political lean of the writer. But I wasn't. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll agree with you with regard to the fact that lifelong politicians <em>should</em> know what they realistically can and cannot get done, but they lie just the same to get elected. </p><p></p><p>Let's not make Trump out to be a saint, though. Trump lied to get elected and he continues to lie. Trump has been dishonest in his business dealings for years using the leverage of litigation to get what he wants at a price he wants even if he agreed on a much higher or different price. You can't use those same tactics on a global stage (even though Trump is trying) because the result ends up on the battlefield rather than in a courtroom. He can only use the "my bomb is bigger than your bomb" for so long until someone calls his bluff. </p><p></p><p>The surprising thing is that business people have tried to run for president on numerous occasions in the past. It didn't work out. What Trump had that the others didn't was celebrity appeal. It remains to be seen whether the Democrats will try to counter that appeal in 2020 with their own "celebrity". </p><p></p><p>I said to my wife last night that Trump is going to get re-elected in 2020 (unless he's impeached). She thinks that there is no possible way it will happen. But it will. The Democrats have nothing to counter Trump. Nothing. And the Republicans don't have the balls to force Trump out of the party. Let's just hope that he listens to his military advisors for the next few years.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cirrus, post: 178630, member: 10493"] It's semantics :). There's been multiple iterations. I'll agree with you there. I'd like to say that I was making a point with that comment based on the political lean of the writer. But I wasn't. I'll agree with you with regard to the fact that lifelong politicians [I]should[/I] know what they realistically can and cannot get done, but they lie just the same to get elected. Let's not make Trump out to be a saint, though. Trump lied to get elected and he continues to lie. Trump has been dishonest in his business dealings for years using the leverage of litigation to get what he wants at a price he wants even if he agreed on a much higher or different price. You can't use those same tactics on a global stage (even though Trump is trying) because the result ends up on the battlefield rather than in a courtroom. He can only use the "my bomb is bigger than your bomb" for so long until someone calls his bluff. The surprising thing is that business people have tried to run for president on numerous occasions in the past. It didn't work out. What Trump had that the others didn't was celebrity appeal. It remains to be seen whether the Democrats will try to counter that appeal in 2020 with their own "celebrity". I said to my wife last night that Trump is going to get re-elected in 2020 (unless he's impeached). She thinks that there is no possible way it will happen. But it will. The Democrats have nothing to counter Trump. Nothing. And the Republicans don't have the balls to force Trump out of the party. Let's just hope that he listens to his military advisors for the next few years. [/QUOTE]
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