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<blockquote data-quote="Apri1" data-source="post: 181233" data-attributes="member: 10340"><p>I voted keep the discord. I fail to see why a rudimentary simple chat hacked together quickly is somehow superior to discord, which is a service dedicated to providing chat servers. I already use discord quite a lot, so adding para in there is easy. If it closed and a chat here was added, I almost certainly wouldn't frequent it, let alone use it.</p><p></p><p>The forum is <em>not</em> a good replacement for live chat (whether that be voice or text).</p><p></p><p>I'll address the "concerns" about discord:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I see this as the fault of the forum-only users. Myself and other discord users <em>also</em> use the forum; in the way forums are meant to be used. We don't use it as a chat service, but why would we? So really there's a discord group that visits the forum, and the forum group which doesn't visit the discord. Generally speaking, it's much easier to keep tabs on para if it's just in a discord server list along with everything else, rather than having to explicitly visit the site every single day.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd argue "watercooler chat" has no place at all in either a paranormalis chatroom or on the forum. I don't come here for casual chitchat and shallow pleasantries. I come because of the topics on here. If all the chat was was unrelated and off topic, I wouldn't use it. As for the "tabs", I assume you mean channels. Yes, because in 2019 we are actually organized. You could make the same argument about the forum. Certainly there are a lot of subforums here that aren't used or posted in very infrequently? Why not just have a handful of main ones? Same argument. Except chat has a reason for them: because when discussions are happening, things can branch off and it's easier to move channels than to try to have two conversations in the same space.</p><p></p><p>Creating an inferior chatroom hosted on the site would be redundancy. Why would I use that when I could just use discord? There's no reason other than to create problems. I don't "chat" on the forum, and I don't do forum-style longposts in the discord chatroom. Perhaps learn how to use communication technology? Are you 80 or something?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Generally speaking I see more activity on the discord chatroom than I do here on the forum. If that's not enough activity to justify it's existence.... why does this site exist? If you created a dedicated chatroom here on the site you'd have even less activity, because many discord users wouldn't bother. What reason do you have to believe that a migration would <em>increase</em> activity? Generally server/site/chat moves lose users in the switch. I watched it happen with another chat I used to frequent. They had a discord server and lots of people enjoyed it, then they moved to a dedicated chat hosted on their site and it pretty much died and no one bothered to continue chatting. History shows that migrations hurt activity.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To my knowledge there's only paranormalis. I don't really know of any other forums that cover these kinds of topics. Perhaps you meant discord servers? If so it's as simple as putting a rule of no advertising other servers. If you actually bothered to use discord you'd see such a thing is pretty common. Servers also often do "partnerships" where para could advertise on related servers and gain more users in that way. A dedicated chat yet again fails to do this kind of thing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>certainly they could use the excerpts in the dedicated chatroom or here on the forum in order to trash paranormalis? I'm failing to see why discord is unique in that manner. It just sounds like you have a bias against discord for no real reason.</p><p></p><p>Needless to say that all of the evidence points towards a chat migration being a <em>bad move</em>. What arguments are there for a dedicated chat? Will it have voice? Sharing images/videos/etc? Private messaging? Will it use markdown formatting? Will it have dedicated channels for different topics? If not, in what way is it superior? What is so good that a loss of users and functionality is worth it?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Apri1, post: 181233, member: 10340"] I voted keep the discord. I fail to see why a rudimentary simple chat hacked together quickly is somehow superior to discord, which is a service dedicated to providing chat servers. I already use discord quite a lot, so adding para in there is easy. If it closed and a chat here was added, I almost certainly wouldn't frequent it, let alone use it. The forum is [I]not[/I] a good replacement for live chat (whether that be voice or text). I'll address the "concerns" about discord: I see this as the fault of the forum-only users. Myself and other discord users [I]also[/I] use the forum; in the way forums are meant to be used. We don't use it as a chat service, but why would we? So really there's a discord group that visits the forum, and the forum group which doesn't visit the discord. Generally speaking, it's much easier to keep tabs on para if it's just in a discord server list along with everything else, rather than having to explicitly visit the site every single day. I'd argue "watercooler chat" has no place at all in either a paranormalis chatroom or on the forum. I don't come here for casual chitchat and shallow pleasantries. I come because of the topics on here. If all the chat was was unrelated and off topic, I wouldn't use it. As for the "tabs", I assume you mean channels. Yes, because in 2019 we are actually organized. You could make the same argument about the forum. Certainly there are a lot of subforums here that aren't used or posted in very infrequently? Why not just have a handful of main ones? Same argument. Except chat has a reason for them: because when discussions are happening, things can branch off and it's easier to move channels than to try to have two conversations in the same space. Creating an inferior chatroom hosted on the site would be redundancy. Why would I use that when I could just use discord? There's no reason other than to create problems. I don't "chat" on the forum, and I don't do forum-style longposts in the discord chatroom. Perhaps learn how to use communication technology? Are you 80 or something? Generally speaking I see more activity on the discord chatroom than I do here on the forum. If that's not enough activity to justify it's existence.... why does this site exist? If you created a dedicated chatroom here on the site you'd have even less activity, because many discord users wouldn't bother. What reason do you have to believe that a migration would [I]increase[/I] activity? Generally server/site/chat moves lose users in the switch. I watched it happen with another chat I used to frequent. They had a discord server and lots of people enjoyed it, then they moved to a dedicated chat hosted on their site and it pretty much died and no one bothered to continue chatting. History shows that migrations hurt activity. To my knowledge there's only paranormalis. I don't really know of any other forums that cover these kinds of topics. Perhaps you meant discord servers? If so it's as simple as putting a rule of no advertising other servers. If you actually bothered to use discord you'd see such a thing is pretty common. Servers also often do "partnerships" where para could advertise on related servers and gain more users in that way. A dedicated chat yet again fails to do this kind of thing. certainly they could use the excerpts in the dedicated chatroom or here on the forum in order to trash paranormalis? I'm failing to see why discord is unique in that manner. It just sounds like you have a bias against discord for no real reason. Needless to say that all of the evidence points towards a chat migration being a [I]bad move[/I]. What arguments are there for a dedicated chat? Will it have voice? Sharing images/videos/etc? Private messaging? Will it use markdown formatting? Will it have dedicated channels for different topics? If not, in what way is it superior? What is so good that a loss of users and functionality is worth it? [/QUOTE]
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