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<blockquote data-quote="koaon" data-source="post: 487" data-attributes="member: 46"><p><strong>Entropy, from Grayson</strong></p><p></p><p>Phoenix, </p><p></p><p>As far as I understand it, entropy is much more than just the flow of heat between systems. To quote from Hack's favourites site, it is:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">For a closed thermodynamic system, a quantitative measure of the amount of thermal energy not available to do work. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A measure of the disorder or randomness in a closed system. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A measure of the loss of information in a transmitted message. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The tendency for all matter and energy in the universe to evolve toward a state of inert uniformity. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Inevitable and steady deterioration of a system or society.</li> </ul><p>It's a measure of the decay or disorder/chaos that eventually happens in any system unless energy is injected from outside the system, or effort (=energy) is spent to maintain the system.</p><p></p><p>Entropy does not violate free will, nor does free will contradict entropy.</p><p></p><p>I'll take my fishtank, which is a relatively closed system, as an example.</p><p>In order to keep the system running smoothly, and the fish healthy, I have to continually inject energy into the system in the form of electricity to power the lightbulbs lightbulbs, air pumps, water filters etc. I have to expend effort and energy to clean the tank, filters, feed the fish etc.</p><p></p><p>You're right, there is no force that will thwart these efforts. These actions are entirely subject to my free will, but unless these actions are taken, entropy will take over. The filters will eventually clog up, lightbulbs will blow, my fish and plants will die. Decay WILL set in. Eventually my tank will be full of nothing but green smelly stuff.</p><p></p><p>The same applies to my messy room. Nothing, apart from pure laziness, can stop me from tidying up, but unless I excercise my free will to plug in the vacuum cleaner, the entropy in the room will increase. (And in my case at an alarming rate). <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite44" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> </p><p></p><p>I believe the concept of entropy can absolutely be applied to computer systems, economics, politics and many other aspects of everyday life.</p><p>Although Grayson's applications may not be relevant, I believe they are valid.</p><p></p><p>His conclusion, however, that entropy would make time travel impossible, seems rather dodgy.</p><p></p><p>koaon</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="koaon, post: 487, member: 46"] [b]Entropy, from Grayson[/b] Phoenix, As far as I understand it, entropy is much more than just the flow of heat between systems. To quote from Hack's favourites site, it is: [list][*]For a closed thermodynamic system, a quantitative measure of the amount of thermal energy not available to do work. [*]A measure of the disorder or randomness in a closed system. [*]A measure of the loss of information in a transmitted message. [*]The tendency for all matter and energy in the universe to evolve toward a state of inert uniformity. [*]Inevitable and steady deterioration of a system or society. [/list] It's a measure of the decay or disorder/chaos that eventually happens in any system unless energy is injected from outside the system, or effort (=energy) is spent to maintain the system. Entropy does not violate free will, nor does free will contradict entropy. I'll take my fishtank, which is a relatively closed system, as an example. In order to keep the system running smoothly, and the fish healthy, I have to continually inject energy into the system in the form of electricity to power the lightbulbs lightbulbs, air pumps, water filters etc. I have to expend effort and energy to clean the tank, filters, feed the fish etc. You're right, there is no force that will thwart these efforts. These actions are entirely subject to my free will, but unless these actions are taken, entropy will take over. The filters will eventually clog up, lightbulbs will blow, my fish and plants will die. Decay WILL set in. Eventually my tank will be full of nothing but green smelly stuff. The same applies to my messy room. Nothing, apart from pure laziness, can stop me from tidying up, but unless I excercise my free will to plug in the vacuum cleaner, the entropy in the room will increase. (And in my case at an alarming rate). :P I believe the concept of entropy can absolutely be applied to computer systems, economics, politics and many other aspects of everyday life. Although Grayson's applications may not be relevant, I believe they are valid. His conclusion, however, that entropy would make time travel impossible, seems rather dodgy. koaon [/QUOTE]
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