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<blockquote data-quote="Phoenix" data-source="post: 489" data-attributes="member: 10"><p><strong>Entropy, from Grayson</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>When you get to this metaphorical use of the term rather than this more scientific application</p><p></p><p>We neither can or should involve the second law of <strong>thermal</strong> dynamics as it's cause. The state of clothing on the floor is not an expression of uniformity, often "mess" demonstrates great and complex diversity of information, it is not meaningless static. When we carefully study an unkept fish take tons of information is left on the fish tank to reveil the mechanism and order of the basically successful effort of blue green algae. Just like a geologist can examine the "mess" in dirt left over millions of years and use the information left by it to reconstruct event millions or billions of years old. Yes information loss does occur from probability but it is not a result of the metaphorical concept of deterioration.</p><p></p><p></p><p>They can be in metaphor but we must be careful not to mistakenly connect them to a scientific observation about heat flow that is responsible for the work output of engines.</p><p></p><p>That metaphor should be fully understood to be connected to this basic grasp of it here.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In terms of the specifics of dust and algae. Algae is a living organism and thus is actually decreasing the relative entropy in the fish tank, it's spread in the fish tank is a good thing for the algae. If we were to completely seal off the room from contaminants, which is scientifically possible to do, it would be scientifically impossible for dust and algae to form without cause. It may be argued by the metaphor of entropy something will have to disrupt the sealed off state, the understanding of science could be abused to state the second law of thermal dynamic would make it so. However the nonevents/noninformation/boring state of the sealed off room is the state the real things that entropy heads towards as correctly understood by the "law" of thermal dynamics.</p><p></p><p>This law however is effected by the loophole of free will as has been repeatedly expressed in the above examples. There is a deep profoundness to freewill and it's relation to entropy/chance in that understanding.</p><p></p><p>The relation between the causal metaphorical application of entropy social systems, some aspects of computer systems (real entropy does play certain roles in information loss), and states of a room and the strict scientific understanding of the word as a result of probabilities and heat states, is on the order of likening the metaphorical use of the term "gravity of a situation" as in severity with the scientific employment of the attraction between masses. Then to try and maintain a philosophical projection of "objects" being pulled towards gravity. Trying to loosely apply general observation of people long necking at accidents on the road as a result of the scientific law of gravity. It is ok to employ such variation of meanings as is common usage. It is however a misunderstanding of science to try and connect the science to the metaphorical employment of the word usage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Phoenix, post: 489, member: 10"] [b]Entropy, from Grayson[/b] When you get to this metaphorical use of the term rather than this more scientific application We neither can or should involve the second law of [b]thermal[/b] dynamics as it's cause. The state of clothing on the floor is not an expression of uniformity, often "mess" demonstrates great and complex diversity of information, it is not meaningless static. When we carefully study an unkept fish take tons of information is left on the fish tank to reveil the mechanism and order of the basically successful effort of blue green algae. Just like a geologist can examine the "mess" in dirt left over millions of years and use the information left by it to reconstruct event millions or billions of years old. Yes information loss does occur from probability but it is not a result of the metaphorical concept of deterioration. They can be in metaphor but we must be careful not to mistakenly connect them to a scientific observation about heat flow that is responsible for the work output of engines. That metaphor should be fully understood to be connected to this basic grasp of it here. In terms of the specifics of dust and algae. Algae is a living organism and thus is actually decreasing the relative entropy in the fish tank, it's spread in the fish tank is a good thing for the algae. If we were to completely seal off the room from contaminants, which is scientifically possible to do, it would be scientifically impossible for dust and algae to form without cause. It may be argued by the metaphor of entropy something will have to disrupt the sealed off state, the understanding of science could be abused to state the second law of thermal dynamic would make it so. However the nonevents/noninformation/boring state of the sealed off room is the state the real things that entropy heads towards as correctly understood by the "law" of thermal dynamics. This law however is effected by the loophole of free will as has been repeatedly expressed in the above examples. There is a deep profoundness to freewill and it's relation to entropy/chance in that understanding. The relation between the causal metaphorical application of entropy social systems, some aspects of computer systems (real entropy does play certain roles in information loss), and states of a room and the strict scientific understanding of the word as a result of probabilities and heat states, is on the order of likening the metaphorical use of the term "gravity of a situation" as in severity with the scientific employment of the attraction between masses. Then to try and maintain a philosophical projection of "objects" being pulled towards gravity. Trying to loosely apply general observation of people long necking at accidents on the road as a result of the scientific law of gravity. It is ok to employ such variation of meanings as is common usage. It is however a misunderstanding of science to try and connect the science to the metaphorical employment of the word usage. [/QUOTE]
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