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<blockquote data-quote="kcwildman" data-source="post: 63232" data-attributes="member: 1046"><p>I find it almost funny that the word ( hell ) did not even appear in history till around 700-750 AD and then it was a refreance to the underworld or land of the dead... and not a place of punishment at all just a place for dead folks to hang out </p><p>quote from wikipedia</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell" target="_blank">Hell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a></p><p> </p><p>The modern English word <em>Hell</em> is derived from Old English <em>hel</em>, <em>helle</em> (about 725 AD to refer to a nether world of the dead) reaching into the <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_paganism" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Anglo-Saxon pagan period</span></u></a>, and ultimately from <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Proto-Germanic" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Proto-Germanic</span></u></a> <em>*halja</em>, meaning "one who covers up or hides something".<a href="http://paranormalis.com/#cite_note-BARNHART348-1" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">[1]</span></span></u></a> The word has cognates in related <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Germanic_languages" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Germanic languages</span></u></a> such as <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Old_Frisian" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Old Frisian</span></u></a> <em>helle</em>, <em>hille</em>, <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Old_Saxon" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Old Saxon</span></u></a> <em>hellja</em>, <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Middle_Dutch" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Middle Dutch</span></u></a> <em>helle</em> (modern Dutch <em>hel</em>), <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Old_High_German" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Old High German</span></u></a> <em>helle</em> (Modern German <em><a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Holle_(goddess)" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Hölle</span></u></a></em>), <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Danish_language" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Danish</span></u></a>, <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Norwegian_language" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Norwegian</span></u></a> and <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Swedish_language" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Swedish</span></u></a> "helvede"/<em>helvete</em> (<em>hel</em> + <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Old_Norse" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Old Norse</span></u></a> <em>vitti</em>, "punishment" whence the <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Icelandic_language" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Icelandic</span></u></a> <em><a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/v%C3%ADti#Icelandic" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">víti</span></u></a></em> "hell"), and <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Gothic_language" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Gothic</span></u></a> <em>halja</em>.<a href="http://paranormalis.com/#cite_note-BARNHART348-1" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">[1]</span></span></u></a> Subsequently, the word was used to transfer a pagan concept to Christian theology and its vocabulary<a href="http://paranormalis.com/#cite_note-BARNHART348-1" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">[1]</span></span></u></a> (however, for the Judeo-Christian origin of the concept see <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Gehenna" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Gehenna</span></u></a>).</p><p> </p><p>so it then is linked to the word Gehenna which is a refrence to a valley near Jerusalem where they use to sacrafice children to moloch</p><p>quote from wikipedia</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna" target="_blank">Gehenna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a></p><p> </p><p><strong>Gehenna</strong> (Greek γέεννα), <strong>Gehinnom</strong> (Rabbinical <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Hebrew" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Hebrew</span></u></a>: <span style="font-family: 'SBL Hebrew'"><span style="font-size: 18px">גהנום</span></span>/<span style="font-family: 'SBL Hebrew'"><span style="font-size: 18px">גהנם</span></span>) and Yiddish <strong>Gehinnam</strong>, are terms derived from a place outside ancient <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Jerusalem" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Jerusalem</span></u></a> known in the <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Hebrew_Bible" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Hebrew Bible</span></u></a> as the <strong>Valley of the Son of Hinnom</strong> (Hebrew: <span style="font-family: 'SBL Hebrew'"><span style="font-size: 18px">גֵיא בֶן־הִנֹּם</span></span> or <span style="font-family: 'SBL Hebrew'"><span style="font-size: 18px">גיא בן-הינום</span></span>); one of the two principal valleys surrounding the <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Old_City_(Jerusalem)" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Old City</span></u></a>.</p><p>Originally, it was believed that this was a location where <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Child_sacrifice#Tanakh_.28Hebrew_Bible.29" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">children were sacrificed</span></u></a> to <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Moloch" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Moloch</span></u></a>, hence from the perspective of the <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible#Hebrew_Bible" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">authors of the Hebrew Bible</span></u></a>, it was deemed to be cursed.<a href="http://paranormalis.com/#cite_note-1" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">[1]</span></span></u></a></p><p>In Jewish, Christian and Islamic scripture, Gehenna is a destination of the wicked.<a href="http://paranormalis.com/#cite_note-2" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">[2]</span></span></u></a> This is different from the more neutral <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Sheol" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Sheol</span></u></a>/<a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Hades" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Hades</span></u></a>, the <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Realm_of_the_dead" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">abode of the dead</span></u></a>, though the <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/King_James_version_of_the_Bible" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">King James version of the Bible</span></u></a> translates both with the Anglo-Saxon word <a href="http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Hell" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Hell</span></u></a>.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>so to think it can be locked down to a mysterious lake of fire located in some distant place used by GOD to torment bad folks for ever, is a pill just a little hard for me to swallow</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kcwildman, post: 63232, member: 1046"] I find it almost funny that the word ( hell ) did not even appear in history till around 700-750 AD and then it was a refreance to the underworld or land of the dead... and not a place of punishment at all just a place for dead folks to hang out quote from wikipedia [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell"]Hell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url] The modern English word [I]Hell[/I] is derived from Old English [I]hel[/I], [I]helle[/I] (about 725 AD to refer to a nether world of the dead) reaching into the [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_paganism'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Anglo-Saxon pagan period[/COLOR][/U][/URL], and ultimately from [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Proto-Germanic'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Proto-Germanic[/COLOR][/U][/URL] [I]*halja[/I], meaning "one who covers up or hides something".[URL='http://paranormalis.com/#cite_note-BARNHART348-1'][U][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc][1][/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/URL] The word has cognates in related [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Germanic_languages'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Germanic languages[/COLOR][/U][/URL] such as [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Old_Frisian'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Old Frisian[/COLOR][/U][/URL] [I]helle[/I], [I]hille[/I], [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Old_Saxon'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Old Saxon[/COLOR][/U][/URL] [I]hellja[/I], [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Middle_Dutch'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Middle Dutch[/COLOR][/U][/URL] [I]helle[/I] (modern Dutch [I]hel[/I]), [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Old_High_German'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Old High German[/COLOR][/U][/URL] [I]helle[/I] (Modern German [I][URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Holle_(goddess)'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Hölle[/COLOR][/U][/URL][/I]), [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Danish_language'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Danish[/COLOR][/U][/URL], [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Norwegian_language'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Norwegian[/COLOR][/U][/URL] and [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Swedish_language'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Swedish[/COLOR][/U][/URL] "helvede"/[I]helvete[/I] ([I]hel[/I] + [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Old_Norse'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Old Norse[/COLOR][/U][/URL] [I]vitti[/I], "punishment" whence the [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Icelandic_language'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Icelandic[/COLOR][/U][/URL] [I][URL='http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/v%C3%ADti#Icelandic'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]víti[/COLOR][/U][/URL][/I] "hell"), and [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Gothic_language'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Gothic[/COLOR][/U][/URL] [I]halja[/I].[URL='http://paranormalis.com/#cite_note-BARNHART348-1'][U][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc][1][/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/URL] Subsequently, the word was used to transfer a pagan concept to Christian theology and its vocabulary[URL='http://paranormalis.com/#cite_note-BARNHART348-1'][U][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc][1][/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/URL] (however, for the Judeo-Christian origin of the concept see [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Gehenna'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Gehenna[/COLOR][/U][/URL]). so it then is linked to the word Gehenna which is a refrence to a valley near Jerusalem where they use to sacrafice children to moloch quote from wikipedia [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna"]Gehenna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url] [B]Gehenna[/B] (Greek γέεννα), [B]Gehinnom[/B] (Rabbinical [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Hebrew'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Hebrew[/COLOR][/U][/URL]: [FONT=SBL Hebrew][SIZE=5]גהנום[/SIZE][/FONT]/[FONT=SBL Hebrew][SIZE=5]גהנם[/SIZE][/FONT]) and Yiddish [B]Gehinnam[/B], are terms derived from a place outside ancient [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Jerusalem'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Jerusalem[/COLOR][/U][/URL] known in the [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Hebrew_Bible'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Hebrew Bible[/COLOR][/U][/URL] as the [B]Valley of the Son of Hinnom[/B] (Hebrew: [FONT=SBL Hebrew][SIZE=5]גֵיא בֶן־הִנֹּם[/SIZE][/FONT] or [FONT=SBL Hebrew][SIZE=5]גיא בן-הינום[/SIZE][/FONT]); one of the two principal valleys surrounding the [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Old_City_(Jerusalem)'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Old City[/COLOR][/U][/URL]. Originally, it was believed that this was a location where [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Child_sacrifice#Tanakh_.28Hebrew_Bible.29'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]children were sacrificed[/COLOR][/U][/URL] to [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Moloch'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Moloch[/COLOR][/U][/URL], hence from the perspective of the [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible#Hebrew_Bible'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]authors of the Hebrew Bible[/COLOR][/U][/URL], it was deemed to be cursed.[URL='http://paranormalis.com/#cite_note-1'][U][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc][1][/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/URL] In Jewish, Christian and Islamic scripture, Gehenna is a destination of the wicked.[URL='http://paranormalis.com/#cite_note-2'][U][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc][2][/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/URL] This is different from the more neutral [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Sheol'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Sheol[/COLOR][/U][/URL]/[URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Hades'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Hades[/COLOR][/U][/URL], the [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Realm_of_the_dead'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]abode of the dead[/COLOR][/U][/URL], though the [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/King_James_version_of_the_Bible'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]King James version of the Bible[/COLOR][/U][/URL] translates both with the Anglo-Saxon word [URL='http://paranormalis.com/wiki/Hell'][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Hell[/COLOR][/U][/URL]. so to think it can be locked down to a mysterious lake of fire located in some distant place used by GOD to torment bad folks for ever, is a pill just a little hard for me to swallow [/QUOTE]
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