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If the Pope dies...
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<blockquote data-quote="August" data-source="post: 23995" data-attributes="member: 138"><p><strong>Re: If the Pope dies...</strong></p><p></p><p>darkbreed, you and I are from the same camp; we just have different modes of attack. </p><p> </p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"darkbreed\")</div></p><p> </p><p>Personal experience is a wonderful thing and I need mine as much as you need yours. But take away theories and ideas, and I am no better than my dog. He is nothing but the sum of his experiences: that is food/that is not; that is hot/that is not; that behavior gets me punished/that gets me praise. We on the other hand are social creatures needing a balance of ideas and action, the abstract vs. the concrete. Man needs both.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Yes.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I am not a big fan of some of those rules either. But I understand them as being necessary. Even your "see for yourself" religion would require rules. How do I start to see for myself? would be the first question a novice would ask, and at that moment an entire set of rules must be put in place in order to bring that novice to the level of master. Any Zen buddhist will tell you this; any Trappist monk will agree.</p><p> </p><p>I am not sure of your age, but I would wager somewhere in the world right now two like-aged men are starting the journey. Let's take the Trappist and the Buddhist. They are in for much reading, much experience, and much spiritual revelation. And there is a structure to assist them, there is a society to help them should they need it.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>But what about Mystery? Suffering? Fear? What do you draw from when a child asks you about these? Do you make up an answer on the spot? Do you tell them to figure it out on their own?</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>God gives us free will. That's why we are always screwing up. Have religions caused pain and suffering? of course. But they also help many people get closer to God. And they put together great soup kitchens.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="August, post: 23995, member: 138"] [b]Re: If the Pope dies...[/b] darkbreed, you and I are from the same camp; we just have different modes of attack. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"darkbreed\")</div> Personal experience is a wonderful thing and I need mine as much as you need yours. But take away theories and ideas, and I am no better than my dog. He is nothing but the sum of his experiences: that is food/that is not; that is hot/that is not; that behavior gets me punished/that gets me praise. We on the other hand are social creatures needing a balance of ideas and action, the abstract vs. the concrete. Man needs both. Yes. I am not a big fan of some of those rules either. But I understand them as being necessary. Even your "see for yourself" religion would require rules. How do I start to see for myself? would be the first question a novice would ask, and at that moment an entire set of rules must be put in place in order to bring that novice to the level of master. Any Zen buddhist will tell you this; any Trappist monk will agree. I am not sure of your age, but I would wager somewhere in the world right now two like-aged men are starting the journey. Let's take the Trappist and the Buddhist. They are in for much reading, much experience, and much spiritual revelation. And there is a structure to assist them, there is a society to help them should they need it. But what about Mystery? Suffering? Fear? What do you draw from when a child asks you about these? Do you make up an answer on the spot? Do you tell them to figure it out on their own? God gives us free will. That's why we are always screwing up. Have religions caused pain and suffering? of course. But they also help many people get closer to God. And they put together great soup kitchens. [/QUOTE]
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