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<blockquote data-quote="Kairos" data-source="post: 170102" data-attributes="member: 10263"><p>Greetings. I have been lurking for a little while. Time travel is one of my favorite interests.</p><p></p><p>I don't know about the feasibility of generating a kugelblitz from redirected light collected by a Dyson Swarm, but building a Dyson Swarm is not too difficult if you have the robotics and AI capabilities to do as they described. My background is in computer science, so in that respect, I think what they are describing here are what are called <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_machine" target="_blank">Von Neumann Machines</a>. It's a basic consequence of the recursion theorem in theoretical computer science combined with artificial intelligence. Recursion theorem essentially proved that any theoretical machine (Turing Machine equivalent) can compute its own encoding, which means it can basically reproduce and even modify it's design if it is sufficiently clever. </p><p></p><p>So imagine you have this machine that you build here on Earth. It would have to be put together in orbit since it would need a lot of initial components. It need have the initial tools necessary to begin the process of replication and all the encodings needed to build various other kinds of robotics, factories, refineries, etc. Realistically, you'd want to start on an asteroid like Eros 433, which has lots of various metals needed to do this. Spread out to other asteroids. If your plan is to eventually strip most of Mercury's surface for the materials to build the actual swarm, building the army of robotics necessary is probably better done on asteroids since you won't have to deal with a lot of gravity which takes lots of energy to escape or move around in. </p><p></p><p>Burning down to Mercury is *not* cheap either. It takes a lot of delta v to get down there. </p><p></p><p>Most of the stuff they are talking about is common SF novel staples. I don't know about using kugelblitzes to make a time machine, though. It sounds similar enough to the John Titor story that they could have gotten it from there. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Honestly, building a Vonn Neuman machine is the second hardest problem they described next to building the time machine. It's theoretically straight-forward, but we are not there in terms of AI or robotics. Not even close. </p><p></p><p>Third hardest problem would be to figure out how to organize all the reflectors and time them so that they focus and redirect light into a single point somewhere. General relativity would be a total whore here because you'd have to time it absolutely perfectly. We are talking about 10% of the sun's light in a single second?? All focused into a single point in space? </p><p></p><p>I don't think anybody alive today would ever be around when something like that is possible unless we invent that longevity vaccine for ourselves and we are all still kicking a few centuries hence.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kairos, post: 170102, member: 10263"] Greetings. I have been lurking for a little while. Time travel is one of my favorite interests. I don't know about the feasibility of generating a kugelblitz from redirected light collected by a Dyson Swarm, but building a Dyson Swarm is not too difficult if you have the robotics and AI capabilities to do as they described. My background is in computer science, so in that respect, I think what they are describing here are what are called [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_machine']Von Neumann Machines[/URL]. It's a basic consequence of the recursion theorem in theoretical computer science combined with artificial intelligence. Recursion theorem essentially proved that any theoretical machine (Turing Machine equivalent) can compute its own encoding, which means it can basically reproduce and even modify it's design if it is sufficiently clever. So imagine you have this machine that you build here on Earth. It would have to be put together in orbit since it would need a lot of initial components. It need have the initial tools necessary to begin the process of replication and all the encodings needed to build various other kinds of robotics, factories, refineries, etc. Realistically, you'd want to start on an asteroid like Eros 433, which has lots of various metals needed to do this. Spread out to other asteroids. If your plan is to eventually strip most of Mercury's surface for the materials to build the actual swarm, building the army of robotics necessary is probably better done on asteroids since you won't have to deal with a lot of gravity which takes lots of energy to escape or move around in. Burning down to Mercury is *not* cheap either. It takes a lot of delta v to get down there. Most of the stuff they are talking about is common SF novel staples. I don't know about using kugelblitzes to make a time machine, though. It sounds similar enough to the John Titor story that they could have gotten it from there. Honestly, building a Vonn Neuman machine is the second hardest problem they described next to building the time machine. It's theoretically straight-forward, but we are not there in terms of AI or robotics. Not even close. Third hardest problem would be to figure out how to organize all the reflectors and time them so that they focus and redirect light into a single point somewhere. General relativity would be a total whore here because you'd have to time it absolutely perfectly. We are talking about 10% of the sun's light in a single second?? All focused into a single point in space? I don't think anybody alive today would ever be around when something like that is possible unless we invent that longevity vaccine for ourselves and we are all still kicking a few centuries hence. [/QUOTE]
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