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<blockquote data-quote="Not An Art Bell Imposter" data-source="post: 27714" data-attributes="member: 589"><p><strong>Re: John Titor Is A Hoax Exclusive Report</strong></p><p></p><p>Mudpuppy, thanks for diligently answering my questions, much appreciated. Is the "Q" key on your keyboard broken? </p><p> </p><p>I see now, "VirtualGirl" qualified her "John Titor Is A Hoax Exclusive Report" statements later on, not in her original post. Good thing it was in the same topic at least or I might have never found it.</p><p> </p><p>Enthusiasm is a worthy trait but when used to leap to unwarranted conclusions it can make its bearer appear "delusional", which may be what happened here. I would think that after so much time spent studying and analyzing Titor as you say you all have, everyone involved would be at least a little bit careful about leaping to conclusions on the skimpiest of evidence or no real evidence at all. It seems a reasonable assumption that you must be aware of the many scammers and imposters of various stripes that have tried to exploit Titor's story, and you must have observed for yourself by now the unusual intensity of his debunkers. Haven't you already seen people summarily declaring that Titor's a hoaxer without any real evidence? So how on earth does one of your own fall into the same trap and you don't even call her on it? </p><p> </p><p>Digging for new information is great but don't you think that "VirtualGirl" should edit her original post, especially including its title, to qualify her statements to the effect that the new information she's posted really doesn't prove anything? It doesn't even provide the slightest evidence toward proving Titor a hoaxer. Yet now there will be debunkers all over the web successfully deflecting the interest of people mildly interested in Titor by claiming that this topic "proves" Titor a hoaxer, and I think that would be pretty irresponsible to condone. Many people aren't going to read that whole irrelevant Disney article but will scroll a little ways down it and conclude that it must support what "VirtualGirl" says or she wouldn't have posted it, and then off they will go somewhere else, thinking Titor has been successfully debunked and they can stop thinking about what he had to say. And ignoring what Titor had to say is not what this country needs at this time. So if you are a group of friends as you say you are and you have any influence with "VirtualGirl", I hope you will ask her to restore your group's integrity by suitably editing her first post that people will see when they view this topic. (I have seen "edited" notes on some posts but so far haven't been able to find a way to edit mine, is there a secret button somewhere?)</p><p> </p><p>You asked me to contribute something positive to the discussion, so I will (even though by pointing out that the stated topic of this thread is invalid and Titor remains undebunked, I think I already have). First however I want to balance the positive with a negative: I think there is presently far too much effort focused on attempting to prove Titor genuine or phony, because it is very unlikely that such efforts are going to prove fruitful anytime soon and because it distracts from something far more important. Many people have spent years trying with nobody succeeding, and the chances of new evidence coming to light are very slim. (The Intelius database record and the Disney article are not serious evidence at all, though they might possibly merit a footnote in a longer work exposing the John Titor Foundation scammers.) In their obsession over trying to establish whether he was genuine or not, people are letting time pass by that will never be regained, and as time goes by we are apparently getting closer and closer to the future Titor predicted. Whether Titor was genuine or not we may not know for a while, but it is becoming abundantly clear that America is moving rapidly toward a police state under George Bush Junior. And yes, unpleasant as he is, Bush is very relevant to any discussion about Titor for this reason, even though Titor does not have to have been genuine in order for Bush to turn America into a police state. In relative terms, debating whether Titor was genuine or not is trivial compared to the threat Bush poses to American freedoms, and distraction by the trivial inhibits actions that might improve our futures, including keeping our freedoms and even our lives.</p><p> </p><p>Now for the positive: far more important than debunking or proving Titor is realizing the great gift of hope that he gave us when he explained that we have the capability to shape our own future, even though he said we probably wouldn't do things much differently than his own worldline did. If we just all sit around on our hands chatting about minor confusing distractions like Haber and Disney, Titor's expectation for our blindly materialistic culture will very likely come true -- at least the police state part of it, because we are so clearly halfway there already. This should be something that almost all of us, except for a few fanatic right-wingers, would want to avoid. We have an opportunity to change the direction our country is going BY LEVERAGING THE WORDS OF TITOR and making more people aware of them. It doesn't ultimately matter if Titor was genuine or not, but it does matter a great deal that America not become a police state. </p><p> </p><p>On the John Titor UK list (John_Titor_UK@yahoogroups.com; contact <a href="mailto:John_Titor_UK-owner@yahoogroups.com">John_Titor_UK-owner@yahoogroups.com</a>) I've recently suggested a project called the <strong>John Titor Snowball Project</strong>, to make more people aware of Titor while there is still time to alter the course we are on. It's very simple, and that's to post in forums everywhere about Titor so that more and more people learn about him. Then tell the other people participating in the project where you posted so they can go back you up. </p><p> </p><p>There is the possibility that the inspiration Titor has given some of us will be infective enough that Titor's meme will spread (the "snowball" effect) and we'll manage to alter our future constructively. We have a mass-murdering war criminal for a president, if ever there is a possibility to improve things by removing him from office, it needs to be initiated before he declares martial law. But that window of opportunity is very likely to close sometime soon. It doesn't matter if Titor was genuine or not! You are wasting your time if all you are doing with your knowledge of Titor is trying to examine minutae to determine if he is genuine or not! The important thing is to alter our worldline for the better, because if we don't succeed in doing that we are doomed.</p><p> </p><p>Regards,</p><p> </p><p>Karl S.</p><p><a href="http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/" target="_blank">http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Not An Art Bell Imposter, post: 27714, member: 589"] [b]Re: John Titor Is A Hoax Exclusive Report[/b] Mudpuppy, thanks for diligently answering my questions, much appreciated. Is the "Q" key on your keyboard broken? I see now, "VirtualGirl" qualified her "John Titor Is A Hoax Exclusive Report" statements later on, not in her original post. Good thing it was in the same topic at least or I might have never found it. Enthusiasm is a worthy trait but when used to leap to unwarranted conclusions it can make its bearer appear "delusional", which may be what happened here. I would think that after so much time spent studying and analyzing Titor as you say you all have, everyone involved would be at least a little bit careful about leaping to conclusions on the skimpiest of evidence or no real evidence at all. It seems a reasonable assumption that you must be aware of the many scammers and imposters of various stripes that have tried to exploit Titor's story, and you must have observed for yourself by now the unusual intensity of his debunkers. Haven't you already seen people summarily declaring that Titor's a hoaxer without any real evidence? So how on earth does one of your own fall into the same trap and you don't even call her on it? Digging for new information is great but don't you think that "VirtualGirl" should edit her original post, especially including its title, to qualify her statements to the effect that the new information she's posted really doesn't prove anything? It doesn't even provide the slightest evidence toward proving Titor a hoaxer. Yet now there will be debunkers all over the web successfully deflecting the interest of people mildly interested in Titor by claiming that this topic "proves" Titor a hoaxer, and I think that would be pretty irresponsible to condone. Many people aren't going to read that whole irrelevant Disney article but will scroll a little ways down it and conclude that it must support what "VirtualGirl" says or she wouldn't have posted it, and then off they will go somewhere else, thinking Titor has been successfully debunked and they can stop thinking about what he had to say. And ignoring what Titor had to say is not what this country needs at this time. So if you are a group of friends as you say you are and you have any influence with "VirtualGirl", I hope you will ask her to restore your group's integrity by suitably editing her first post that people will see when they view this topic. (I have seen "edited" notes on some posts but so far haven't been able to find a way to edit mine, is there a secret button somewhere?) You asked me to contribute something positive to the discussion, so I will (even though by pointing out that the stated topic of this thread is invalid and Titor remains undebunked, I think I already have). First however I want to balance the positive with a negative: I think there is presently far too much effort focused on attempting to prove Titor genuine or phony, because it is very unlikely that such efforts are going to prove fruitful anytime soon and because it distracts from something far more important. Many people have spent years trying with nobody succeeding, and the chances of new evidence coming to light are very slim. (The Intelius database record and the Disney article are not serious evidence at all, though they might possibly merit a footnote in a longer work exposing the John Titor Foundation scammers.) In their obsession over trying to establish whether he was genuine or not, people are letting time pass by that will never be regained, and as time goes by we are apparently getting closer and closer to the future Titor predicted. Whether Titor was genuine or not we may not know for a while, but it is becoming abundantly clear that America is moving rapidly toward a police state under George Bush Junior. And yes, unpleasant as he is, Bush is very relevant to any discussion about Titor for this reason, even though Titor does not have to have been genuine in order for Bush to turn America into a police state. In relative terms, debating whether Titor was genuine or not is trivial compared to the threat Bush poses to American freedoms, and distraction by the trivial inhibits actions that might improve our futures, including keeping our freedoms and even our lives. Now for the positive: far more important than debunking or proving Titor is realizing the great gift of hope that he gave us when he explained that we have the capability to shape our own future, even though he said we probably wouldn't do things much differently than his own worldline did. If we just all sit around on our hands chatting about minor confusing distractions like Haber and Disney, Titor's expectation for our blindly materialistic culture will very likely come true -- at least the police state part of it, because we are so clearly halfway there already. This should be something that almost all of us, except for a few fanatic right-wingers, would want to avoid. We have an opportunity to change the direction our country is going BY LEVERAGING THE WORDS OF TITOR and making more people aware of them. It doesn't ultimately matter if Titor was genuine or not, but it does matter a great deal that America not become a police state. On the John Titor UK list (John_Titor_UK@yahoogroups.com; contact [email=John_Titor_UK-owner@yahoogroups.com]John_Titor_UK-owner@yahoogroups.com[/email]) I've recently suggested a project called the [b]John Titor Snowball Project[/b], to make more people aware of Titor while there is still time to alter the course we are on. It's very simple, and that's to post in forums everywhere about Titor so that more and more people learn about him. Then tell the other people participating in the project where you posted so they can go back you up. There is the possibility that the inspiration Titor has given some of us will be infective enough that Titor's meme will spread (the "snowball" effect) and we'll manage to alter our future constructively. We have a mass-murdering war criminal for a president, if ever there is a possibility to improve things by removing him from office, it needs to be initiated before he declares martial law. But that window of opportunity is very likely to close sometime soon. It doesn't matter if Titor was genuine or not! You are wasting your time if all you are doing with your knowledge of Titor is trying to examine minutae to determine if he is genuine or not! The important thing is to alter our worldline for the better, because if we don't succeed in doing that we are doomed. Regards, Karl S. [url=http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/]http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com[/url] [/QUOTE]
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