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<blockquote data-quote="vortex-T217" data-source="post: 154048" data-attributes="member: 8780"><p>Thanks Snow, I appreciate your response too. It's definitely not the easiest thing in the world to talk about <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite38" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>It's nice to see you have already investigated a lot of these topics while having an open mind as well as being sceptical. It's the only way to go about researching these things. Nothing is off the table for me either. We are only humans that was born into this world with only having what we were taught to go by and with that being said nothing should technically be on the table as far as philosophy goes. </p><p></p><p>You have really great questions that I have been thinking about a lot myself. Thinking if this were true what would be the real motives and reasons behind it all. Since the depths of the reality of this topic seems to have never ending variables of possibilities and with so many other pieces of the puzzle being left out it's a hard thing to analyse. </p><p></p><p>I was thinking if it were true then why on earth would "they" bother to enslave us through reincarnation after reincarnations and trap us in these human suits. What would even be the motive behind it all since if science says space is infinite and every star has planets around it along with other existing dimensions within it. If there is that much room out there that 7 billion people could have their own damn individual galaxy for example then why would a group of beings want to enslave us in this way? I couldn't see it being all about space so much. Just because they can doesn't seem like a good enough answer to me. If this was the case then maybe way back before this all started they were threatened by the power that other beings had over them or that had the potential to use it on them. I can't comprehend it though with my limited human mind lol or at least with out knowing the scale of it all but it's interesting to speculate. </p><p></p><p>You said "why would the entities who didn’t want us to know that reality isn’t real put us in an alternate existence where we start talking amongst ourselves and exposing it?" it's a good question but let's say if the theory was correct then I would guess that "they" might allow it because awakening may not be much of a threat as long as that awakening or belief is still confined with in a overall manipulated system or universe. It could also be that it is allowed as an experiment acting as an outline of detailed examples of what they will not allow.</p><p></p><p>If they can control everything so closely I've wondered why has it even gotten to the point that we are talking about this right now and why this conversation can exist? would they not think people could start questioning this if they were to be told it by beings that had our better interest, is what I wonder. or maybe it's because people can cry wolf all they want and no one would believe it. Maybe the little bit of damage to the agenda is already done and the only thing they can do now is things like shift a group of us over to alternate versions of earth, back and forth to mess with us.</p><p></p><p>ME makes us question more but 'they" if it's they who caused it, they must not care if we question at this point. Because if this theory were true then it wouldn't matter if you were a fully awakened Buddhist monk or had every single psychic ability known to man, or was like a david blaine or superman type person, it wouldn't matter how awakened you would be if even the non physical dimensions have been manipulated and is part of the overall system of deception. In other words you can be awakened all you want which yes does help become more self realized but as long as they get you in some type of holding plane lined up for another reincarnation once the body expires then memories from there can be locked away. There may also be some ET's that are in this universe that are good and have good intentions and would be considered awakened in anyones point of view but some of these more advanced ET's may also not know any better and are part of a deception to. Who really knows how deep it all goes.</p><p></p><p>Also I don't mean that taking a spiritual path to enlightenment, or developing spiritual abilities or getting in touch with a universal oneness wouldn't matter in a manipulated system. It definitely does help open an awareness to help learn to better comprehend the multiple levels of reality. I just meant that it might not matter much in the eyes of a manipulative race of ET's that could rule over a multi layered system of existences. To them it would be like we haven't even found a trail that leads to the far away rabbit hole yet, but would much rather have people think that they made it in the rabbit hole to be enlightened. Which is why truth is the best way to sell a lie. It's the oldest trick in the book to mix some truth in with the lies to make the heart of the matter unrecognizable.</p><p></p><p>Another thing I was thinking as a possibility is who knows if there will ever be something like a second coming of God making an appearance for example or a mass ET landing to change things up and bring peace and spiritual teachings to humanity and new knowledge of the cosmos. It could be all part of the plan.. So having some people awakened to new possibilities and realities may not be all that much of a threat if it would help contribute to a new age that is somewhat geared towards the future foundations that they would lay down. Even us talking about this would not be much of a threat if they were ever to lay those foundations down since we would be considered sinful to question the Creator and if not punished then at least isolated from others due to beliefs which still creates that separateness and not a real sense of oneness on those people. </p><p>In a situation like that, questioning the Creator would most likely only be allowed within a confined matrix system of deception that would relate to scientific data dealing with the nature of the cosmos that may go along with the overall agenda. There will always be a prescription of reality given. A way to give more answers along with more questions at the same time would be okay to them as long as it stays within a constructed reality that is deep with infinite mazes with no reason to question anything outside of what we can't already understand.. I don't know, it's just a thought and i'm probably running wild with my ideas about this but I like to consider different possibilities.</p><p></p><p>Is this a throwaway reality? I often wondered that to. Was the worldlines we were previously at get any better or worse. I hope better and I hope the other me still exists in those realities. that's what concerned me the most about ME. Just the fact of not knowing that sucks. </p><p>I wish I only knew what has happened to us and the exact causes behind it.</p><p></p><p>Some say that the ME happened to save some of us from a world wide disaster. Some say it's new vibrations coming from space that is bringing in the new age and that the ME is bringing us to new copies of the universe or which ever version of earth that closest aligns with our own personal vibrations. Some say that eventually certain people will shift to a new peaceful version of earth and if others don't get their thoughts right that they will be left behind. There are so many different view points of what actually is going on with the ME. One thing I know is anyone who claims they absolutely know with out a doubt of what's going on with ME's most likely does not have the full story.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vortex-T217, post: 154048, member: 8780"] Thanks Snow, I appreciate your response too. It's definitely not the easiest thing in the world to talk about :) It's nice to see you have already investigated a lot of these topics while having an open mind as well as being sceptical. It's the only way to go about researching these things. Nothing is off the table for me either. We are only humans that was born into this world with only having what we were taught to go by and with that being said nothing should technically be on the table as far as philosophy goes. You have really great questions that I have been thinking about a lot myself. Thinking if this were true what would be the real motives and reasons behind it all. Since the depths of the reality of this topic seems to have never ending variables of possibilities and with so many other pieces of the puzzle being left out it's a hard thing to analyse. I was thinking if it were true then why on earth would "they" bother to enslave us through reincarnation after reincarnations and trap us in these human suits. What would even be the motive behind it all since if science says space is infinite and every star has planets around it along with other existing dimensions within it. If there is that much room out there that 7 billion people could have their own damn individual galaxy for example then why would a group of beings want to enslave us in this way? I couldn't see it being all about space so much. Just because they can doesn't seem like a good enough answer to me. If this was the case then maybe way back before this all started they were threatened by the power that other beings had over them or that had the potential to use it on them. I can't comprehend it though with my limited human mind lol or at least with out knowing the scale of it all but it's interesting to speculate. You said "why would the entities who didn’t want us to know that reality isn’t real put us in an alternate existence where we start talking amongst ourselves and exposing it?" it's a good question but let's say if the theory was correct then I would guess that "they" might allow it because awakening may not be much of a threat as long as that awakening or belief is still confined with in a overall manipulated system or universe. It could also be that it is allowed as an experiment acting as an outline of detailed examples of what they will not allow. If they can control everything so closely I've wondered why has it even gotten to the point that we are talking about this right now and why this conversation can exist? would they not think people could start questioning this if they were to be told it by beings that had our better interest, is what I wonder. or maybe it's because people can cry wolf all they want and no one would believe it. Maybe the little bit of damage to the agenda is already done and the only thing they can do now is things like shift a group of us over to alternate versions of earth, back and forth to mess with us. ME makes us question more but 'they" if it's they who caused it, they must not care if we question at this point. Because if this theory were true then it wouldn't matter if you were a fully awakened Buddhist monk or had every single psychic ability known to man, or was like a david blaine or superman type person, it wouldn't matter how awakened you would be if even the non physical dimensions have been manipulated and is part of the overall system of deception. In other words you can be awakened all you want which yes does help become more self realized but as long as they get you in some type of holding plane lined up for another reincarnation once the body expires then memories from there can be locked away. There may also be some ET's that are in this universe that are good and have good intentions and would be considered awakened in anyones point of view but some of these more advanced ET's may also not know any better and are part of a deception to. Who really knows how deep it all goes. Also I don't mean that taking a spiritual path to enlightenment, or developing spiritual abilities or getting in touch with a universal oneness wouldn't matter in a manipulated system. It definitely does help open an awareness to help learn to better comprehend the multiple levels of reality. I just meant that it might not matter much in the eyes of a manipulative race of ET's that could rule over a multi layered system of existences. To them it would be like we haven't even found a trail that leads to the far away rabbit hole yet, but would much rather have people think that they made it in the rabbit hole to be enlightened. Which is why truth is the best way to sell a lie. It's the oldest trick in the book to mix some truth in with the lies to make the heart of the matter unrecognizable. Another thing I was thinking as a possibility is who knows if there will ever be something like a second coming of God making an appearance for example or a mass ET landing to change things up and bring peace and spiritual teachings to humanity and new knowledge of the cosmos. It could be all part of the plan.. So having some people awakened to new possibilities and realities may not be all that much of a threat if it would help contribute to a new age that is somewhat geared towards the future foundations that they would lay down. Even us talking about this would not be much of a threat if they were ever to lay those foundations down since we would be considered sinful to question the Creator and if not punished then at least isolated from others due to beliefs which still creates that separateness and not a real sense of oneness on those people. In a situation like that, questioning the Creator would most likely only be allowed within a confined matrix system of deception that would relate to scientific data dealing with the nature of the cosmos that may go along with the overall agenda. There will always be a prescription of reality given. A way to give more answers along with more questions at the same time would be okay to them as long as it stays within a constructed reality that is deep with infinite mazes with no reason to question anything outside of what we can't already understand.. I don't know, it's just a thought and i'm probably running wild with my ideas about this but I like to consider different possibilities. Is this a throwaway reality? I often wondered that to. Was the worldlines we were previously at get any better or worse. I hope better and I hope the other me still exists in those realities. that's what concerned me the most about ME. Just the fact of not knowing that sucks. I wish I only knew what has happened to us and the exact causes behind it. Some say that the ME happened to save some of us from a world wide disaster. Some say it's new vibrations coming from space that is bringing in the new age and that the ME is bringing us to new copies of the universe or which ever version of earth that closest aligns with our own personal vibrations. Some say that eventually certain people will shift to a new peaceful version of earth and if others don't get their thoughts right that they will be left behind. There are so many different view points of what actually is going on with the ME. One thing I know is anyone who claims they absolutely know with out a doubt of what's going on with ME's most likely does not have the full story. [/QUOTE]
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