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<blockquote data-quote="Judge Bean" data-source="post: 22310" data-attributes="member: 42"><p><strong>minuteman project and Waco type events thread</strong></p><p></p><p>Contrary to the Constitution, the president retains the power to suspend the civil rights of a portion of the population based solely on its race. By extension, there is no bar to the president suspending the rights of any targeted group. </p><p></p><p>As previously stated here, the basis of the suspension is the announcement of the commencement of hostilities, ?declaration of a state of emergency,? Presidential Proclamation or Executive Order, or formal Declaration of War, all of which serve to grant the Executive ?war powers.? Other situations which likely grant the same powers are United Nations Resolutions and the issuance of a federal warrant of arrest of a sovereign leader (which is then executed by the armed forces in an invasion). </p><p></p><p>This first step has already been taken by President Bush, who consistently refers to himself as "a war president," and constantly tells us that "we are at war." Congress has authorized funding; the troops are there under fire. This is war, and it more than qualifies to grant him the extra powers.</p><p></p><p>In the case of an ?incursion? or attack on the United States or its territories, or even the threat of such an attack, or in the event of civil unrest or natural catastrophe, the regulations are in place already which command the armed forces to take control of the cities; special Executive Orders and Proclamations may be issued to detain those deemed by the military to be in danger or to be the potential source of danger. (A very expensive and extensive procedure, including secret underground facilities, is now in place to accommodate a ?continuity of government? in the case of a nuclear attack or disaster of similar scale.) </p><p></p><p>What is keeping them this minute from taking this next step? Nothing but tenuous public opinion, which will change in a minute if there is an attack or largescale emergency.</p><p></p><p>The current state of the law as to ?consensual stop,? ?stop and frisk,? detention, custody, arrest, and a fixed period of incarceration, all depends on a subtle and complex system of checks and balances, with the threat of judicial review of abuses. A ?brief detention? on the street for identification purposes is now before the Supreme Court; for levels of restriction of liberty above the brief detention, the law requires an articulable reason or suspicion, and imprisonment for any length of time requires due process of law starting with an appearance in court within a short period of time. </p><p></p><p>All of this is swept away in the event of an emergency, and there need not be a formal declaration of either war or martial law.</p><p></p><p>In 1942, the people were removed by the military to ten camps, two each in Arkansas, Arizona, and California, and others in Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, and Colorado. (Beck and Haase, Historical Atlas 63, 77 (Univ. of Okla. Press 1989). All persons in the group were ordered out of their homes regardless of sex, age, citizenship status, or actual political affiliation. </p><p></p><p>Conditions in the camps were miserable and obviously intended to humiliate the inmates and emphasize the distrust and bigotry that sent them there. [Starr, Embattled Dreams, 90 (2002) (?We must move the Japanese in this coutnry into a concentration camp somewhere, someplace, and do it damn quickly? Don?t kid yourselves and don?t let someone tell you there are good Japs,? Rep. Alfred Elliott, speech to the House, Dec. 9, 1941)]. </p><p></p><p>They were by no means conditions as low as suffered by targeted groups in Europe, Asia, and Russia, but the detainees were removed from lush agricultural and coastal regions into the desert interior, and, in any event, Japanese immigrants to America may have expected better treatment here than in Japan. [Masumoto, Country Voices 51 (1987); Starr, Embattled Dreams, 90 (2002); Abe, Police Power 5, 268-69 (1962) (before the Constitutional reforms of 1947, civil rights in Japan were restricted by the government and the chief means of criminal conviction was by coerced confession.)].</p><p></p><p>Everyone in the group had become a criminal suspect, arrested without a showing of reasonable suspicion or probable cause, and imprisoned indefinitely without a hearing, statement of charges, judgment, or sentence. In July 1944, two years later, 61,000 out of the original 120,000 still remained in the camps. After their release, 4,000 left the country for Japan. [<em>Ex Parte Endo</em>, 323 U.S. 283, 294 n.19 (1944)]. </p><p></p><p>The Supreme Court case finding that the racist oppression of this group of Americans was justified under the circumstances (<em>Korematsu v. U.S., </em>323 U.S. 214 (1944)) is still good law, and cited by the Court (as in <em>Bakke</em>, the ?reverse discrimination? case) as precedent and authority, despite its condemnation by State and federal courts nationwide, the exoneration of Korematsu himself, and reparations and official apologies.</p><p></p><p>Why go on about the 1942 Internment? If you have to ask, go back to the Constitution, read it again, and think long and hard about it. Doubtless you?ll discover the answer. If any group is a target, any other one can be, and the whole fabric of the country is ripped. This is not a new thing in our history; the point is that it shows remarkable or remarkably accidental foresight to warn of it in 2000-2001. Just as anyone might harbor a dangerous soul, so any government, even our modern "Western Democracies" (by which I suppose is meant <em>Caucasian </em>governments) has the potential to steal the freedom of its own people.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Judge Bean, post: 22310, member: 42"] [b]minuteman project and Waco type events thread[/b] Contrary to the Constitution, the president retains the power to suspend the civil rights of a portion of the population based solely on its race. By extension, there is no bar to the president suspending the rights of any targeted group. As previously stated here, the basis of the suspension is the announcement of the commencement of hostilities, ?declaration of a state of emergency,? Presidential Proclamation or Executive Order, or formal Declaration of War, all of which serve to grant the Executive ?war powers.? Other situations which likely grant the same powers are United Nations Resolutions and the issuance of a federal warrant of arrest of a sovereign leader (which is then executed by the armed forces in an invasion). This first step has already been taken by President Bush, who consistently refers to himself as "a war president," and constantly tells us that "we are at war." Congress has authorized funding; the troops are there under fire. This is war, and it more than qualifies to grant him the extra powers. In the case of an ?incursion? or attack on the United States or its territories, or even the threat of such an attack, or in the event of civil unrest or natural catastrophe, the regulations are in place already which command the armed forces to take control of the cities; special Executive Orders and Proclamations may be issued to detain those deemed by the military to be in danger or to be the potential source of danger. (A very expensive and extensive procedure, including secret underground facilities, is now in place to accommodate a ?continuity of government? in the case of a nuclear attack or disaster of similar scale.) What is keeping them this minute from taking this next step? Nothing but tenuous public opinion, which will change in a minute if there is an attack or largescale emergency. The current state of the law as to ?consensual stop,? ?stop and frisk,? detention, custody, arrest, and a fixed period of incarceration, all depends on a subtle and complex system of checks and balances, with the threat of judicial review of abuses. A ?brief detention? on the street for identification purposes is now before the Supreme Court; for levels of restriction of liberty above the brief detention, the law requires an articulable reason or suspicion, and imprisonment for any length of time requires due process of law starting with an appearance in court within a short period of time. All of this is swept away in the event of an emergency, and there need not be a formal declaration of either war or martial law. In 1942, the people were removed by the military to ten camps, two each in Arkansas, Arizona, and California, and others in Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, and Colorado. (Beck and Haase, Historical Atlas 63, 77 (Univ. of Okla. Press 1989). All persons in the group were ordered out of their homes regardless of sex, age, citizenship status, or actual political affiliation. Conditions in the camps were miserable and obviously intended to humiliate the inmates and emphasize the distrust and bigotry that sent them there. [Starr, Embattled Dreams, 90 (2002) (?We must move the Japanese in this coutnry into a concentration camp somewhere, someplace, and do it damn quickly? Don?t kid yourselves and don?t let someone tell you there are good Japs,? Rep. Alfred Elliott, speech to the House, Dec. 9, 1941)]. They were by no means conditions as low as suffered by targeted groups in Europe, Asia, and Russia, but the detainees were removed from lush agricultural and coastal regions into the desert interior, and, in any event, Japanese immigrants to America may have expected better treatment here than in Japan. [Masumoto, Country Voices 51 (1987); Starr, Embattled Dreams, 90 (2002); Abe, Police Power 5, 268-69 (1962) (before the Constitutional reforms of 1947, civil rights in Japan were restricted by the government and the chief means of criminal conviction was by coerced confession.)]. Everyone in the group had become a criminal suspect, arrested without a showing of reasonable suspicion or probable cause, and imprisoned indefinitely without a hearing, statement of charges, judgment, or sentence. In July 1944, two years later, 61,000 out of the original 120,000 still remained in the camps. After their release, 4,000 left the country for Japan. [[i]Ex Parte Endo[/i], 323 U.S. 283, 294 n.19 (1944)]. The Supreme Court case finding that the racist oppression of this group of Americans was justified under the circumstances ([i]Korematsu v. U.S., [/i]323 U.S. 214 (1944)) is still good law, and cited by the Court (as in [i]Bakke[/i], the ?reverse discrimination? case) as precedent and authority, despite its condemnation by State and federal courts nationwide, the exoneration of Korematsu himself, and reparations and official apologies. Why go on about the 1942 Internment? If you have to ask, go back to the Constitution, read it again, and think long and hard about it. Doubtless you?ll discover the answer. If any group is a target, any other one can be, and the whole fabric of the country is ripped. This is not a new thing in our history; the point is that it shows remarkable or remarkably accidental foresight to warn of it in 2000-2001. Just as anyone might harbor a dangerous soul, so any government, even our modern "Western Democracies" (by which I suppose is meant [i]Caucasian [/i]governments) has the potential to steal the freedom of its own people. [/QUOTE]
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