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<blockquote data-quote="Zoomerz" data-source="post: 23050" data-attributes="member: 390"><p><strong>Re: Waco-Type events (Reloaded)</strong></p><p></p><p>Cary;</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll have to do some more investigation now (thanks CARY!) I wasn't aware of JCS Conplan 0300-97. I swear, you must subscribe to "Give Me The Dirt, NOW" magazine...sheesh!</p><p></p><p>Like I said though, I have no doubt that the future of freedom in this country is in deep kimshee, but for now, all actions are being taken in light of terrorism, and terrorists. Not ordinary U.S. citizens. I highly doubt even actions taken by JCS Conplan 0300-97 will produce civil unrest in this country UNTIL "non-fringe" or "ordinary" U.S. citizens are directly affected. That was my point, that JT predicted "waco-type events" leading to general civil unrest (and eventually to civil war) that would begin in late 2004, and escalate in 2005. I just don't see that happening.</p><p></p><p>I still also maintain that we must be cognizant of the judicial branch (in particular), ever-watchful for that "first" REAL violation of a citizen's constitutional rights which (MHO) will happen via "judicial comment", or "judicial interpretation" of PA legislation. Now if THAT spawns civil unrest (not representing fringe elements), then I would take it as a validation of JT's vision of the future.</p><p></p><p>Crosstika;</p><p></p><p>Thanks for the update on the FLDS. I happen to live in Utah, and my wife happens to be LDS (I am not). I can assure you, the FLDS are a VERY SMALL fringe group that has existed in one form or another for generations in Hilldale. They've even been so bold as to have posted billboards pronouncing Polygamy as a "god given right".</p><p></p><p>Again, I'm not saying you are, but IF you are trying to use this settlement as a potential "waco type" event that somehow validates JT's predictions, I stand by my earlier post that these are not "new" groups, nor "new" causes that have been somehow propogated by a reduction of our civil liberties. They represent "on-going" fringe elements that don't represent the general mood of the country.</p><p></p><p>I suppose what I'm trying to accomplish here is to keep a higher perspective, so we don't confuse what we seeing, and don't assign undue importance to irrellevant information.</p><p></p><p>Z-</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zoomerz, post: 23050, member: 390"] [b]Re: Waco-Type events (Reloaded)[/b] Cary; I'll have to do some more investigation now (thanks CARY!) I wasn't aware of JCS Conplan 0300-97. I swear, you must subscribe to "Give Me The Dirt, NOW" magazine...sheesh! Like I said though, I have no doubt that the future of freedom in this country is in deep kimshee, but for now, all actions are being taken in light of terrorism, and terrorists. Not ordinary U.S. citizens. I highly doubt even actions taken by JCS Conplan 0300-97 will produce civil unrest in this country UNTIL "non-fringe" or "ordinary" U.S. citizens are directly affected. That was my point, that JT predicted "waco-type events" leading to general civil unrest (and eventually to civil war) that would begin in late 2004, and escalate in 2005. I just don't see that happening. I still also maintain that we must be cognizant of the judicial branch (in particular), ever-watchful for that "first" REAL violation of a citizen's constitutional rights which (MHO) will happen via "judicial comment", or "judicial interpretation" of PA legislation. Now if THAT spawns civil unrest (not representing fringe elements), then I would take it as a validation of JT's vision of the future. Crosstika; Thanks for the update on the FLDS. I happen to live in Utah, and my wife happens to be LDS (I am not). I can assure you, the FLDS are a VERY SMALL fringe group that has existed in one form or another for generations in Hilldale. They've even been so bold as to have posted billboards pronouncing Polygamy as a "god given right". Again, I'm not saying you are, but IF you are trying to use this settlement as a potential "waco type" event that somehow validates JT's predictions, I stand by my earlier post that these are not "new" groups, nor "new" causes that have been somehow propogated by a reduction of our civil liberties. They represent "on-going" fringe elements that don't represent the general mood of the country. I suppose what I'm trying to accomplish here is to keep a higher perspective, so we don't confuse what we seeing, and don't assign undue importance to irrellevant information. Z- [/QUOTE]
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