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<blockquote data-quote="Harte" data-source="post: 28546" data-attributes="member: 443"><p><strong>Re: new theory...</strong></p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"thenumbersix\")</div></p><p>Six,</p><p>Unless I'm mistaken, current cosmological theory holds that there is no "edge of the universe" as SOU puts it. While it is theoretically possible to attempt to reach the edge of the "known universe", we must remember that the universe has been expanding for around 10 to 15 billion years. If you were to travel at a speed extremely close to the speed of light, you could reach the edge of the known universe rather quickly (as time is measured by your watch) but it would take billions of years measured by the clocks on Earth. All that time the universe would be continuing to expand. It's an interesting problem to try to discover what would happen if you could reach the edge of this expansion, but it is most likely that, although the edge no doubt exists in some higher dimension, this edge has no reality in our 4-d perception. This is because it is space itself which is expanding. There exists nothing beyond that space is expanding "into". I am certain you were aware of this last fact, but many people here and elsewhere are not. I have a sister who works as an engineer at NASA, yet even she refuses to believe this! </p><p> </p><p>If the universe is "spherical" (closed), you would eventually find yourself back where you started. If the universe is "hyperbolic" (open), you would never be able to reach anything like what we would think of as an "edge." I must say here that these types of curves I mention are not what you may think. They are nonlocal spacetime curvatures and hence would only be perceptable by observers in some higher dimension. Similar to the way that Charlie Brown cannot be aware that the paper he exists on has been folded.</p><p> </p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"thenumbersix\")</div></p><p> </p><p>I also have found that having at least some understanding of the nature of reality is strangely non-profitable. I first began to learn of QM when I decided one day to find out what electricity is. I'd had several courses in college about how to do this or that with circuits, how to measure or predict voltages, currents, etc. but never any decent explanation of how electricity yields power to, for example, the very calculator I was using to perform the requisite calculations. Imagine my surprise when I found that the reason for this lack of information was because, at its most basic level, nobody <em>really</em> knows.</p><p> </p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"thenumbersix\")</div></p><p>I know you've read some of Dmitri's posts here on the creation of life. The idea of quantum particles traveling in time is basic to what he believes, in short that some future civilization is causing the necessary changes (on the quantum level) that happened here for life to begin, and subsequently for new species to form. This would be all well and good to me, but he allows this future race to be creating their own predecessors (us), which is of course a flagrant violation of causality, a principle for which he apparently cares very little. Hope he doesn't read in this topic, don't want to give him any freebies.</p><p> </p><p>Harte</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harte, post: 28546, member: 443"] [b]Re: new theory...[/b] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"thenumbersix\")</div> Six, Unless I'm mistaken, current cosmological theory holds that there is no "edge of the universe" as SOU puts it. While it is theoretically possible to attempt to reach the edge of the "known universe", we must remember that the universe has been expanding for around 10 to 15 billion years. If you were to travel at a speed extremely close to the speed of light, you could reach the edge of the known universe rather quickly (as time is measured by your watch) but it would take billions of years measured by the clocks on Earth. All that time the universe would be continuing to expand. It's an interesting problem to try to discover what would happen if you could reach the edge of this expansion, but it is most likely that, although the edge no doubt exists in some higher dimension, this edge has no reality in our 4-d perception. This is because it is space itself which is expanding. There exists nothing beyond that space is expanding "into". I am certain you were aware of this last fact, but many people here and elsewhere are not. I have a sister who works as an engineer at NASA, yet even she refuses to believe this! If the universe is "spherical" (closed), you would eventually find yourself back where you started. If the universe is "hyperbolic" (open), you would never be able to reach anything like what we would think of as an "edge." I must say here that these types of curves I mention are not what you may think. They are nonlocal spacetime curvatures and hence would only be perceptable by observers in some higher dimension. Similar to the way that Charlie Brown cannot be aware that the paper he exists on has been folded. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"thenumbersix\")</div> I also have found that having at least some understanding of the nature of reality is strangely non-profitable. I first began to learn of QM when I decided one day to find out what electricity is. I'd had several courses in college about how to do this or that with circuits, how to measure or predict voltages, currents, etc. but never any decent explanation of how electricity yields power to, for example, the very calculator I was using to perform the requisite calculations. Imagine my surprise when I found that the reason for this lack of information was because, at its most basic level, nobody [i]really[/i] knows. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"thenumbersix\")</div> I know you've read some of Dmitri's posts here on the creation of life. The idea of quantum particles traveling in time is basic to what he believes, in short that some future civilization is causing the necessary changes (on the quantum level) that happened here for life to begin, and subsequently for new species to form. This would be all well and good to me, but he allows this future race to be creating their own predecessors (us), which is of course a flagrant violation of causality, a principle for which he apparently cares very little. Hope he doesn't read in this topic, don't want to give him any freebies. Harte [/QUOTE]
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