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<blockquote data-quote="CaryP" data-source="post: 14908" data-attributes="member: 34"><p><strong>Our new esteemed Head of Homeland Security</strong></p><p></p><p>dancho,</p><p></p><p>While you have some interesting points, I offer a different perspective. I appreciate your posts and your thoughts. You've made some great contributions to the board in your short tenure here. Let me get on with my post.</p><p></p><p>Why would the Saudis want the U.S. attacked, only to have our military in the Arab world? Yes, taking out Saddam would be to their liking, but evidence has surfaced that Saddam wasn't much of a threat as a military force. We had troops in Saudi Arabia, but they were pulled out during the Iraqi invasion and occupation. Do/did the Saudis want our troops presence in their country to protect the royal family from Islamic fundamentalists? No idea, if the rhetoric is to be believed, the jihadists want to take down the House of Saud, and Arabia into an Islamic fundamentalist state. I'm not saying the Saudi's are our friends. Yes, it's documented that they "don't like" us, but they sure like our money for their oil. To destroy America means a big customer goes away, along with most of the world economy. If the Saudis were behind the attack wouldn't that be to their detriment? Would they risk pissing off the most powerful military force in the world? IMO, this was a classic case of a "false flag" operation. Just like Oswald was the lone gunman, and the "super bullet" theory in the Kennedy assasination.</p><p></p><p>So a bigger question is who would benefit by the 9/11 attacks drawing the U.S. in attacking Arab/Islamic countries. Obvious answer, the Israeli govt. Who is at odds with all of its neighbors in the Mid East? Israel. I'm not saying that Jewish people in general, or the average Israeli citizen would back the 9/11 attack. I'm not anti-semitic. I am anti-Israeli govt. policies, just as I'm anti-American govt. policies (no, of course not all of them). Doesn't make me anti-American, or anti-Israeli, or anti-Semitic. I just don't like the foreign, and some of the domestic policies of the govt. administrations that are currently in the seat of power in both countries.</p><p></p><p>Let me give you some points on why IMO it makes more sense that the Sharon admin. (not everyone in the Israeli govt.) was behind the 9/11 attack in conjunction with the neocon Bush admin. (not everyone in the U.S. govt.). I'm not saying this is the gospel truth, but the evidence is pretty strong that the 9/11 attack was an inside job.</p><p></p><p>Israeli Mossad agents were seen filming and celebrating the attacks on the WTC from the N.J. shore across the Hudson River. These agents were picked up and later released back to Israel.</p><p></p><p>The Israeli govt. has stepped up its spying on the U.S. govt. as has been revealed in the rash of caught Israeli spies over the last couple of years, most recently in the Pentagon.</p><p></p><p>Bush Sr.'s former NSA, Scowcroft, has been quoted that Sharon has Bush wrapped around his little finger. Scowcroft also said that Sharon was "the problem." After every suicide bomber in Israel, Sharon allegedly phones Bush, to tell him that he is fighting terrorism on the front line, as a reminder that Isreal's interests are America's interests.</p><p></p><p>American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is one of the biggest political contributiors to U.S. politicians. AIPAC is also the top Israel lobby in the U.S. Both Bush and Kerry came out strongly in their pledge for Israel in the recent elections. AIPAC is currently under investigation for a host of illegal activity in the U.S.</p><p></p><p>The Israeli govt. has seen Saddam has its number one threat for a long time. The elimination of Iraq with Saddam at the head benefits Israel much more than Saudi Arabia. Iran and Syria are next up for a story to be built to "justify" an attack/invasion/occupation over the next year or two. The only thing that stopped the Israeli govt. from strategic strikes against Iran before the U.S. elections was a message through back channels from Russia that Israel could be turned into a big glass parking lot if Iran were attacked. The Russians just signed several deals with Iran, supplying them with nuclear technology and trade.</p><p></p><p>Saddam hated Israel more than Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is an enemy of Israel. Isreal does not have the military or resources to make a major offensive against its Arab neighbors, especially without support from the U.S. The U.S. invasion would not/did not draw the entire region into a war. Well, yet, anyway. An Israeli attack on one of its Arab neighbors would have a much higher degree of having all Arab/Islamic countires attack Israel. </p><p></p><p>The neocon agenda according to the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) is for ongoing global war for eventual global domination in what they term "Pax Americana." Part of the PNAC agenda was the need for a "Pearl Harbor type event" to get the American people behind a war. 9/11 served that purpose.</p><p></p><p>Bush had been talking about finding an excuse to attack Iraq and take out Saddam from before he was president. Paul O'Neil, for Treasury Secretary, said in his book, that Bush was discussing an invasion of Iraq from his second day as president in his first cabinet meeting.</p><p></p><p>Despite claims of WMD's in Iraq, a connection to al Qaeda, and a hand in the 9/11 attack by Iraq, Bush's handpicked 9/11 commission discredited all of these lies that were told to the American people to get the populace hyped up for an Iraq invasion and occupation. Is it just about oil? Hardly. Another lie told to the American people was about the low cost of the war, and that Iraqi oil could be sold to pay for it. Iraqi oil supplies are below pre-invasion levels, and supply lines are consistently disrupted by "insurgents" there. The cost of the Iraq invasion/occupation is now pushing several hundred billion dollars. Another interesting tidbit is that about $20 billion of money raised from oil sales since the invasion has gone missing. Wonder if our new DHS Sec. appointee got some of that?</p><p></p><p>There's lots more. If you'd like to do more research, I'd recommend that you check out <a href="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/" target="_blank">http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/</a> There's a lot of material there, and you can do searches by topic. Read what's available on Israel and 9/11 for starters. If you'd like to see what some American sources have come up with on 9/11 do a google search on Stanley Hilton. Hilton is the formere chief of staff for Bob Dole, and has a lawsuit filed against a number of the Bush administration for $7 billion and is representing 400 family members of 9/11 victims. Hilton's suit is for treason and mass murder. Also do a google search on Michael Ruppert and his new book, "Crossing the Rubicon" Ruppert came up with similar conclusions as Hilton's lawsuit as to who and what were behind the 9/11 attacks.</p><p></p><p>No it ain't pretty, and it's hard to get your brain around. Nobody wants to believe we have a bunch of criminals running the White House. It ain't the first time and it probably won't be the last. There's a lot of evidence that several of the hijackers from 9/11 were trained and funded by the FBI and the CIA. Several of the alledged hijackers have also turned up alive back in their home countries. They never left to take part in the attacks. The lies and fabrication surrounding the whole thing is mind boggling. Remember that OBL is a bought and paid for CIA asset. If we wanted to find him, don't you think we'd have found him by now? Why was his pre-election video conveniently released the Friday before the elections? My take is to scare the American public into voting for the incumbent, because he talks a better game of "let's whup ass." Walter Cronkite said on Larry King that the pre-election OBL video was probably the work of Karl Rove. Ain't that interesting?</p><p></p><p>Anyway, sorry to go on and on. Just trying to give you another viewpoint and some research sources. One of the last things the Saudis want is an American military presence in their neck of the woods. Israel on the other hand stands to benefit immensely. Just my thoughts.</p><p></p><p>Cary</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CaryP, post: 14908, member: 34"] [b]Our new esteemed Head of Homeland Security[/b] dancho, While you have some interesting points, I offer a different perspective. I appreciate your posts and your thoughts. You've made some great contributions to the board in your short tenure here. Let me get on with my post. Why would the Saudis want the U.S. attacked, only to have our military in the Arab world? Yes, taking out Saddam would be to their liking, but evidence has surfaced that Saddam wasn't much of a threat as a military force. We had troops in Saudi Arabia, but they were pulled out during the Iraqi invasion and occupation. Do/did the Saudis want our troops presence in their country to protect the royal family from Islamic fundamentalists? No idea, if the rhetoric is to be believed, the jihadists want to take down the House of Saud, and Arabia into an Islamic fundamentalist state. I'm not saying the Saudi's are our friends. Yes, it's documented that they "don't like" us, but they sure like our money for their oil. To destroy America means a big customer goes away, along with most of the world economy. If the Saudis were behind the attack wouldn't that be to their detriment? Would they risk pissing off the most powerful military force in the world? IMO, this was a classic case of a "false flag" operation. Just like Oswald was the lone gunman, and the "super bullet" theory in the Kennedy assasination. So a bigger question is who would benefit by the 9/11 attacks drawing the U.S. in attacking Arab/Islamic countries. Obvious answer, the Israeli govt. Who is at odds with all of its neighbors in the Mid East? Israel. I'm not saying that Jewish people in general, or the average Israeli citizen would back the 9/11 attack. I'm not anti-semitic. I am anti-Israeli govt. policies, just as I'm anti-American govt. policies (no, of course not all of them). Doesn't make me anti-American, or anti-Israeli, or anti-Semitic. I just don't like the foreign, and some of the domestic policies of the govt. administrations that are currently in the seat of power in both countries. Let me give you some points on why IMO it makes more sense that the Sharon admin. (not everyone in the Israeli govt.) was behind the 9/11 attack in conjunction with the neocon Bush admin. (not everyone in the U.S. govt.). I'm not saying this is the gospel truth, but the evidence is pretty strong that the 9/11 attack was an inside job. Israeli Mossad agents were seen filming and celebrating the attacks on the WTC from the N.J. shore across the Hudson River. These agents were picked up and later released back to Israel. The Israeli govt. has stepped up its spying on the U.S. govt. as has been revealed in the rash of caught Israeli spies over the last couple of years, most recently in the Pentagon. Bush Sr.'s former NSA, Scowcroft, has been quoted that Sharon has Bush wrapped around his little finger. Scowcroft also said that Sharon was "the problem." After every suicide bomber in Israel, Sharon allegedly phones Bush, to tell him that he is fighting terrorism on the front line, as a reminder that Isreal's interests are America's interests. American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is one of the biggest political contributiors to U.S. politicians. AIPAC is also the top Israel lobby in the U.S. Both Bush and Kerry came out strongly in their pledge for Israel in the recent elections. AIPAC is currently under investigation for a host of illegal activity in the U.S. The Israeli govt. has seen Saddam has its number one threat for a long time. The elimination of Iraq with Saddam at the head benefits Israel much more than Saudi Arabia. Iran and Syria are next up for a story to be built to "justify" an attack/invasion/occupation over the next year or two. The only thing that stopped the Israeli govt. from strategic strikes against Iran before the U.S. elections was a message through back channels from Russia that Israel could be turned into a big glass parking lot if Iran were attacked. The Russians just signed several deals with Iran, supplying them with nuclear technology and trade. Saddam hated Israel more than Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is an enemy of Israel. Isreal does not have the military or resources to make a major offensive against its Arab neighbors, especially without support from the U.S. The U.S. invasion would not/did not draw the entire region into a war. Well, yet, anyway. An Israeli attack on one of its Arab neighbors would have a much higher degree of having all Arab/Islamic countires attack Israel. The neocon agenda according to the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) is for ongoing global war for eventual global domination in what they term "Pax Americana." Part of the PNAC agenda was the need for a "Pearl Harbor type event" to get the American people behind a war. 9/11 served that purpose. Bush had been talking about finding an excuse to attack Iraq and take out Saddam from before he was president. Paul O'Neil, for Treasury Secretary, said in his book, that Bush was discussing an invasion of Iraq from his second day as president in his first cabinet meeting. Despite claims of WMD's in Iraq, a connection to al Qaeda, and a hand in the 9/11 attack by Iraq, Bush's handpicked 9/11 commission discredited all of these lies that were told to the American people to get the populace hyped up for an Iraq invasion and occupation. Is it just about oil? Hardly. Another lie told to the American people was about the low cost of the war, and that Iraqi oil could be sold to pay for it. Iraqi oil supplies are below pre-invasion levels, and supply lines are consistently disrupted by "insurgents" there. The cost of the Iraq invasion/occupation is now pushing several hundred billion dollars. Another interesting tidbit is that about $20 billion of money raised from oil sales since the invasion has gone missing. Wonder if our new DHS Sec. appointee got some of that? There's lots more. If you'd like to do more research, I'd recommend that you check out [url=http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/[/url] There's a lot of material there, and you can do searches by topic. Read what's available on Israel and 9/11 for starters. If you'd like to see what some American sources have come up with on 9/11 do a google search on Stanley Hilton. Hilton is the formere chief of staff for Bob Dole, and has a lawsuit filed against a number of the Bush administration for $7 billion and is representing 400 family members of 9/11 victims. Hilton's suit is for treason and mass murder. Also do a google search on Michael Ruppert and his new book, "Crossing the Rubicon" Ruppert came up with similar conclusions as Hilton's lawsuit as to who and what were behind the 9/11 attacks. No it ain't pretty, and it's hard to get your brain around. Nobody wants to believe we have a bunch of criminals running the White House. It ain't the first time and it probably won't be the last. There's a lot of evidence that several of the hijackers from 9/11 were trained and funded by the FBI and the CIA. Several of the alledged hijackers have also turned up alive back in their home countries. They never left to take part in the attacks. The lies and fabrication surrounding the whole thing is mind boggling. Remember that OBL is a bought and paid for CIA asset. If we wanted to find him, don't you think we'd have found him by now? Why was his pre-election video conveniently released the Friday before the elections? My take is to scare the American public into voting for the incumbent, because he talks a better game of "let's whup ass." Walter Cronkite said on Larry King that the pre-election OBL video was probably the work of Karl Rove. Ain't that interesting? Anyway, sorry to go on and on. Just trying to give you another viewpoint and some research sources. One of the last things the Saudis want is an American military presence in their neck of the woods. Israel on the other hand stands to benefit immensely. Just my thoughts. Cary [/QUOTE]
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