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<blockquote data-quote="StarLord" data-source="post: 5642" data-attributes="member: 44"><p><strong>Religion</strong></p><p></p><p>I have mentioned this before in another thread but I will repeat it now that we are dealing with the church. Jesus was a follower of the early judaic path. </p><p></p><p> He had nothing to do with christanity what so ever as that path came after he checked out of the physical plane. His early history is pretty well documented and not much of it was messed with if you can read through the lines. At about the age of 17 or 18 (not exact) he went on a journey to an ancient monastery in the Tibetan mountains and learned under Masters that taught a spiritual way of life that has been around for thousands of years before Jesus was born. Jesus stayed there learning for about 15 to 16 years and then he went to India to further himself upon the spiritual path and for some reason the Bramans kicked him out of India.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps challenging folks on their own spiritual mores may not be an effective modus operandi to teaching others, even if your right in your personal viewpoint.</p><p></p><p>From there Jesus returned to the land of his birth and began teaching. His sole goal was to raise the consciousness of the people he came across but he was hampered by having to use the technique of teaching in parables due to the state of consciousness of those people at that time period. </p><p></p><p>Much like puppets / puppetry, stories or parables bypass the ego and most times pass right to the heart of the listener as the brain is too engrossed in the visual or mental pictures to realize the import of the information and the automatic censors don't kick in and adulterate or obliterate the actual heart of the information.</p><p></p><p>The term Christ has but one meaning. Christ refers to a certain type of consciousness, it is not a person, it is a way of thinking, it is a specific mental space much the same way as was typtified in the movie Caddy Shack when Ty is training the young caddie on how to putt... "Be The Ball".</p><p></p><p>When speaking about the mansion or "My Fathers mansion has many rooms" Jesus was refering to the higher planes of consciousness that we all have the ability to visit while still alive, most of us do from time to time and it is quite possible we are not even aware of it when it happens.</p><p></p><p>In this specific point the church really pulled a fast one. Rather than be a vehicle for their followers upliftment, as they knew that eventually once enlightenment was gained, and the follower would progress on their own, the church repressed all information and rewrote the collection of books to suit it's own purpose and to insure a steadfast congregation of sheep by the use of Fear. Fear of being: responsible for the death of a "savior" that died to clean all your sins away. Fear of being responsible for the "Origional Sin" that involved the very first people. Fear of the unknown "afterlife" "But hey!! if you follow us we will gaurantee you everlasting life". Boy, talk about a wopper lie there. </p><p></p><p>The church cornered the market of fear by introducing the concept of SIN. There is no such thing as sin, we either learn from the experience and go on from that point or we do not and life forces oueselves to repeat the experience in hopes that we realize what the particular experience has to offer us and we do not have to repeat it again. We certainly can not be responsible for the actions of others as you cannot pay for the karma of other people, JUST as other people can not pay or work out the karma that we have created. Nobody can die "for you" and aleviate your personal karmic debt to yourself and to others. </p><p></p><p>Think about it, what would be the sense of having experiences necessary for your personal enfoldment taken away from you. It would be like missing three years of your academic experience in college. Sooner or later that gap in experience, thus knowledge would hinder you in your life and possibly your decision process.</p><p></p><p>The Soul is eternal. PERIOD. We are going to live forever regardless of what spiritual path we follow and Jesus spoke directly about reincarnation and the fact that real death is pretty much impossible, the church really went all out to cover that info up. The also missed a few places in in those books where it talks about reincarnation. If I am not mistaken John the Baptist was alluded to have reincarnated, can't be sure thought it's been a long time since I have read from there, but I digress.</p><p></p><p>The more you search about other paths of knowledge or spirutality, you come to recognize their individual 'diamonds' or roots of their teachings and you are able to see parallels among them. </p><p></p><p>No one has a patent on salvation or enlightment except yourself. Each one of us has our own path that we must follow. Sometimes we can use others experiences as a ruler or guide post to measure by, but chances are we may have to experience something quite differently also. The fact that one places that spiritual foot on the path and keeps on walking. is all that matters. As far as 'organized' religion goes, if it works for you stay with it, all fine and well, if not, then you know what needs to be done.</p><p></p><p>If we were brutally honest with ourselves and tried to answer the question about what we know of God, the answer would have to be "all I know of God is what I do not know about God"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StarLord, post: 5642, member: 44"] [b]Religion[/b] I have mentioned this before in another thread but I will repeat it now that we are dealing with the church. Jesus was a follower of the early judaic path. He had nothing to do with christanity what so ever as that path came after he checked out of the physical plane. His early history is pretty well documented and not much of it was messed with if you can read through the lines. At about the age of 17 or 18 (not exact) he went on a journey to an ancient monastery in the Tibetan mountains and learned under Masters that taught a spiritual way of life that has been around for thousands of years before Jesus was born. Jesus stayed there learning for about 15 to 16 years and then he went to India to further himself upon the spiritual path and for some reason the Bramans kicked him out of India. Perhaps challenging folks on their own spiritual mores may not be an effective modus operandi to teaching others, even if your right in your personal viewpoint. From there Jesus returned to the land of his birth and began teaching. His sole goal was to raise the consciousness of the people he came across but he was hampered by having to use the technique of teaching in parables due to the state of consciousness of those people at that time period. Much like puppets / puppetry, stories or parables bypass the ego and most times pass right to the heart of the listener as the brain is too engrossed in the visual or mental pictures to realize the import of the information and the automatic censors don't kick in and adulterate or obliterate the actual heart of the information. The term Christ has but one meaning. Christ refers to a certain type of consciousness, it is not a person, it is a way of thinking, it is a specific mental space much the same way as was typtified in the movie Caddy Shack when Ty is training the young caddie on how to putt... "Be The Ball". When speaking about the mansion or "My Fathers mansion has many rooms" Jesus was refering to the higher planes of consciousness that we all have the ability to visit while still alive, most of us do from time to time and it is quite possible we are not even aware of it when it happens. In this specific point the church really pulled a fast one. Rather than be a vehicle for their followers upliftment, as they knew that eventually once enlightenment was gained, and the follower would progress on their own, the church repressed all information and rewrote the collection of books to suit it's own purpose and to insure a steadfast congregation of sheep by the use of Fear. Fear of being: responsible for the death of a "savior" that died to clean all your sins away. Fear of being responsible for the "Origional Sin" that involved the very first people. Fear of the unknown "afterlife" "But hey!! if you follow us we will gaurantee you everlasting life". Boy, talk about a wopper lie there. The church cornered the market of fear by introducing the concept of SIN. There is no such thing as sin, we either learn from the experience and go on from that point or we do not and life forces oueselves to repeat the experience in hopes that we realize what the particular experience has to offer us and we do not have to repeat it again. We certainly can not be responsible for the actions of others as you cannot pay for the karma of other people, JUST as other people can not pay or work out the karma that we have created. Nobody can die "for you" and aleviate your personal karmic debt to yourself and to others. Think about it, what would be the sense of having experiences necessary for your personal enfoldment taken away from you. It would be like missing three years of your academic experience in college. Sooner or later that gap in experience, thus knowledge would hinder you in your life and possibly your decision process. The Soul is eternal. PERIOD. We are going to live forever regardless of what spiritual path we follow and Jesus spoke directly about reincarnation and the fact that real death is pretty much impossible, the church really went all out to cover that info up. The also missed a few places in in those books where it talks about reincarnation. If I am not mistaken John the Baptist was alluded to have reincarnated, can't be sure thought it's been a long time since I have read from there, but I digress. The more you search about other paths of knowledge or spirutality, you come to recognize their individual 'diamonds' or roots of their teachings and you are able to see parallels among them. No one has a patent on salvation or enlightment except yourself. Each one of us has our own path that we must follow. Sometimes we can use others experiences as a ruler or guide post to measure by, but chances are we may have to experience something quite differently also. The fact that one places that spiritual foot on the path and keeps on walking. is all that matters. As far as 'organized' religion goes, if it works for you stay with it, all fine and well, if not, then you know what needs to be done. If we were brutally honest with ourselves and tried to answer the question about what we know of God, the answer would have to be "all I know of God is what I do not know about God" [/QUOTE]
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