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<blockquote data-quote="Heinrich Hundekok" data-source="post: 24205" data-attributes="member: 354"><p><strong>something that i am worried</strong></p><p></p><p>Alpha and Omega, and all you others...</p><p> </p><p>You are on to something very important here! Very very important! Never forget that. A&O, you are right. Please do believe me when I say that. </p><p> </p><p>Many of you fine people weighing in here seem to try to solve the problem by giving advice on how to help A&O pass the tests and exams through memorization practise. But in my honest opinion - I think you all get things a bit turned upside down. The problem is not lack of memorization ability - THE PROBLEM IS THE TEST BASED SCOOL SYSTEM ITSELF!</p><p> </p><p>Personally I believe that this whole test-business is <em>the</em> one huge problem with modern education. I am a scool-teacher. I know about modern education. But I am also a blacksmith with ten years of experience - taught up the old-fashioned apprenticeship way, and I teach up new blacksmiths at the viking centre where I work part time. </p><p> </p><p>When I want to "test" an apprentice, I make him forge something out of iron or steel. Something tricky. If he can do it, he's passed and I start teaching him harder things. If he can't, well no big deal. Seeing him try and fail tells me exactly how I can help him get better. There's no such thing as cheating - its impossible! Either he can or he can't. You can't "memorize" your way out of such a test...</p><p> </p><p>Somehow we need to apply this "apprenticeship" teaching and testing style to modern scools. </p><p> </p><p>I think you all ought to know that the American test-based system - especially the one on the loose in Texas - among most Europeans is a clear example of how NOT to run scools.</p><p> </p><p>Please weigh in!</p><p> </p><p>H.H.</p><p> </p><p>Grrrr.... what happened to the "edit post" button?</p><p> </p><p>Ok, I'll try to explain a bit more in detail in this new post, then</p><p> </p><p>Lets start with a simple question: How did people learn before scools existed?</p><p> </p><p>Not just 1000 years ago but way, way earlier. Look at how animal children learn from their parents and from other adult individuals. The blackbird male is born with its ability to sing, but it will only become a good singer by listening to its rivals - the longer it lives, the better a singer. Thus blackbird females choose the better singing males because these males are the more successful survivors, which again will result in successful offspring.</p><p> </p><p>Decades ago, somewhere in southern England a sparrow figured out how to hack through the alu cover of a milk-bottle. This discovery spread out among other sparrows, and whithin a short while sparrows across Britain did the same thing - as far as I know this "meme" has spread across the world by now.</p><p> </p><p>Animals - and of course humans - have an ability to learn from each other, without which we probably wouldn't even exist. Throughout mans 1 million year history kids have learned from adults. This ability to accumilate knowledge, wisdom, craft and so on is the whole foundation of what we call culture or civilization. Whithout this ability, every new generation had to start from scratsh - like ants or bees.</p><p> </p><p>The principle is simple: Imagine a group of people living in the early stone age, fishing, gathering food in the forests and hunting. The kids quickly figures out which adult (12-35 years, they did'nt get much older) is the more successful at , say, catching fish with a spear.</p><p>Of course they will watch him/her making spears and hunting, and then they'd try to do it the same way. This is how all craft is passed down through centuries and millennia. Noone would care to copy the less successful craftsman/hunter/painter/nuclear physicist.</p><p> </p><p>VERY roughly put: If a man is good at something, other men would try to learn from him, and women would try to mate with him. Only this way all good things are passed on to the next generations - both genes and memes.</p><p> </p><p>Let me use the blacksmithing business as an example again, since I'm the most familiar with this one...</p><p> </p><p>The blacksmith has a shop in which he makes things for the customers. If the blacksmith is good, people return to him the next time they need something to be done, each time paying him for a well done job. The rumour spreads. Everyone can see with their own eyes that this person is good at what he's doing, and thus youngsters would prefer to become his apprentice instead of someone elses. They can see that he gets paid hard money for his job, they can <em>see</em> he's worth learning from.</p><p> </p><p>This is how it has always worked. 1. You figure out who's good at problem solving. 2. you watch this person. 3. you try to understand and copy what you see.</p><p> </p><p>This is how kids learn - a million years ago and today.</p><p> </p><p>Now, lets try to apply this to modern scools...</p><p> </p><p>Doesn't work well, does it? The kids can't watch the adult teacher solve problems. Thus they cant judge wether he/she is even worth paying attention to (remeber the fishing exaple?)</p><p> </p><p>The teachers "problem solving" is to make the children themselves learn. It's not an exterior problem that the kids can watch the teacher solve, thereby judging the teachers ability to solve problems and eventually learning from him/her.</p><p> </p><p>The teacher (remember, I'm one myself) is employed to show children how to do "things". These "things" <em>may</em> have no relevance whatsoever to the kids everyday life, and thus the kids <em>may</em> find scool completely pointless. </p><p> </p><p>The kids does not ever see the teacher beeing "payed" or appreciated for his/hers work by others, so they can't judge the quality of that person compared to others. In the end, this may cause the lack of respect that so many teachers experience in scool every single day. </p><p> </p><p>Now...</p><p> </p><p>I know this sounds pretty naiive. I know that the level of abstraction is considerably higher today - you can't just <em>show</em> or <em>teach</em> all things worth knowing by doing them with your hands while the kids watch.</p><p> </p><p>But at least try to work with me here folks... Man has been solving problems using his brain <em>and</em> his hands for a million years. Suddenly, within a few decades, we expect man to solve problems <em>only</em> with his brain. We're just not geared to do it. </p><p>The modern society demands it from us? Well, thats just too bad. It still won't work! Today we know that there is a connection between the increasing demand for intellectual work and the still increasing problems with stress. The brain can only handle so much information at a time. </p><p> </p><p>What does people do in order to de-stress? well, it's simple; they <em>do</em> things instead of just sitting in front of their computers: Gardening, exercise, painting, mountain-climbing, you name it...</p><p> </p><p>The human body is ment to be in motion - all day long. So why do we organize ourselves towards moving lesser and lesser? In scool, at work, in our free time...</p><p> </p><p>So, trying to get back to the point: In my honest opinion <em>THIS</em> is one of the major the problem with scools today. There are others, but let's save them, shall we. This post is by far too long already.</p><p> </p><p>*phew* Carries you away, such things... need a break. Weigh in, please. Tell me why I'm all wrong.</p><p> </p><p>H.H.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Heinrich Hundekok, post: 24205, member: 354"] [b]something that i am worried[/b] Alpha and Omega, and all you others... You are on to something very important here! Very very important! Never forget that. A&O, you are right. Please do believe me when I say that. Many of you fine people weighing in here seem to try to solve the problem by giving advice on how to help A&O pass the tests and exams through memorization practise. But in my honest opinion - I think you all get things a bit turned upside down. The problem is not lack of memorization ability - THE PROBLEM IS THE TEST BASED SCOOL SYSTEM ITSELF! Personally I believe that this whole test-business is [i]the[/i] one huge problem with modern education. I am a scool-teacher. I know about modern education. But I am also a blacksmith with ten years of experience - taught up the old-fashioned apprenticeship way, and I teach up new blacksmiths at the viking centre where I work part time. When I want to "test" an apprentice, I make him forge something out of iron or steel. Something tricky. If he can do it, he's passed and I start teaching him harder things. If he can't, well no big deal. Seeing him try and fail tells me exactly how I can help him get better. There's no such thing as cheating - its impossible! Either he can or he can't. You can't "memorize" your way out of such a test... Somehow we need to apply this "apprenticeship" teaching and testing style to modern scools. I think you all ought to know that the American test-based system - especially the one on the loose in Texas - among most Europeans is a clear example of how NOT to run scools. Please weigh in! H.H. Grrrr.... what happened to the "edit post" button? Ok, I'll try to explain a bit more in detail in this new post, then Lets start with a simple question: How did people learn before scools existed? Not just 1000 years ago but way, way earlier. Look at how animal children learn from their parents and from other adult individuals. The blackbird male is born with its ability to sing, but it will only become a good singer by listening to its rivals - the longer it lives, the better a singer. Thus blackbird females choose the better singing males because these males are the more successful survivors, which again will result in successful offspring. Decades ago, somewhere in southern England a sparrow figured out how to hack through the alu cover of a milk-bottle. This discovery spread out among other sparrows, and whithin a short while sparrows across Britain did the same thing - as far as I know this "meme" has spread across the world by now. Animals - and of course humans - have an ability to learn from each other, without which we probably wouldn't even exist. Throughout mans 1 million year history kids have learned from adults. This ability to accumilate knowledge, wisdom, craft and so on is the whole foundation of what we call culture or civilization. Whithout this ability, every new generation had to start from scratsh - like ants or bees. The principle is simple: Imagine a group of people living in the early stone age, fishing, gathering food in the forests and hunting. The kids quickly figures out which adult (12-35 years, they did'nt get much older) is the more successful at , say, catching fish with a spear. Of course they will watch him/her making spears and hunting, and then they'd try to do it the same way. This is how all craft is passed down through centuries and millennia. Noone would care to copy the less successful craftsman/hunter/painter/nuclear physicist. VERY roughly put: If a man is good at something, other men would try to learn from him, and women would try to mate with him. Only this way all good things are passed on to the next generations - both genes and memes. Let me use the blacksmithing business as an example again, since I'm the most familiar with this one... The blacksmith has a shop in which he makes things for the customers. If the blacksmith is good, people return to him the next time they need something to be done, each time paying him for a well done job. The rumour spreads. Everyone can see with their own eyes that this person is good at what he's doing, and thus youngsters would prefer to become his apprentice instead of someone elses. They can see that he gets paid hard money for his job, they can [i]see[/i] he's worth learning from. This is how it has always worked. 1. You figure out who's good at problem solving. 2. you watch this person. 3. you try to understand and copy what you see. This is how kids learn - a million years ago and today. Now, lets try to apply this to modern scools... Doesn't work well, does it? The kids can't watch the adult teacher solve problems. Thus they cant judge wether he/she is even worth paying attention to (remeber the fishing exaple?) The teachers "problem solving" is to make the children themselves learn. It's not an exterior problem that the kids can watch the teacher solve, thereby judging the teachers ability to solve problems and eventually learning from him/her. The teacher (remember, I'm one myself) is employed to show children how to do "things". These "things" [i]may[/i] have no relevance whatsoever to the kids everyday life, and thus the kids [i]may[/i] find scool completely pointless. The kids does not ever see the teacher beeing "payed" or appreciated for his/hers work by others, so they can't judge the quality of that person compared to others. In the end, this may cause the lack of respect that so many teachers experience in scool every single day. Now... I know this sounds pretty naiive. I know that the level of abstraction is considerably higher today - you can't just [i]show[/i] or [i]teach[/i] all things worth knowing by doing them with your hands while the kids watch. But at least try to work with me here folks... Man has been solving problems using his brain [i]and[/i] his hands for a million years. Suddenly, within a few decades, we expect man to solve problems [i]only[/i] with his brain. We're just not geared to do it. The modern society demands it from us? Well, thats just too bad. It still won't work! Today we know that there is a connection between the increasing demand for intellectual work and the still increasing problems with stress. The brain can only handle so much information at a time. What does people do in order to de-stress? well, it's simple; they [i]do[/i] things instead of just sitting in front of their computers: Gardening, exercise, painting, mountain-climbing, you name it... The human body is ment to be in motion - all day long. So why do we organize ourselves towards moving lesser and lesser? In scool, at work, in our free time... So, trying to get back to the point: In my honest opinion [i]THIS[/i] is one of the major the problem with scools today. There are others, but let's save them, shall we. This post is by far too long already. *phew* Carries you away, such things... need a break. Weigh in, please. Tell me why I'm all wrong. H.H. [/QUOTE]
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