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Stephen Hawking makes it clear: There is no God
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<blockquote data-quote="Ayasano" data-source="post: 94590" data-attributes="member: 4804"><p>Firstly, I will admit I made an assumption here as to the exact nature of your beliefs, and I apologize for that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"Well , do you know that my god is your god is his god is all god?</p><p></p><p>God is God regardless."</p><p></p><p>Those are your exact words. You are asserting that any god or goddess anyone else believes in is in fact your god, and that they are incorrect in their beliefs. If you simply chose your words poorly and did not mean that, then say that, but don't deny that you said it in the first place.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I came back into this discussion because you decided on your own that I must have "issues" and that I believe in something I have explicitly stated I do not. If you insult me, I'm not going to let that go unchallenged. Also, FYI, saying atheists have issues is tantamount to saying they're the problem. Don't nitpick.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Firstly, you again assert that I must believe in something I in fact don't believe in: "Only the way you talk... It leads me to think you doubt your faith in godlessness. But not enough to admit to it."</p><p></p><p>Now, on to the main point, you said:</p><p></p><p>"I think Stephen Hawking is just so bitter about his circumstances in this life that he harbors a hatred of God..."</p><p></p><p>This implies that in order to assert that God doesn't exist, you must harbour a hatred of God, and by extension the opposite is not true, ie. "you can assert that God does not exist without hating him" is false.</p><p></p><p>By making the statement he did, Hawking implies that none of the other gods/goddesses exist either. So by your own logic, he must hate those gods/goddesses too, and by extension, believe in them.</p><p></p><p>So by your own logic, Hawking must believe in all possible gods/goddesses and hate them. See?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What you believe doesn't concern me. You could believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and it wouldn't make a difference. What matters is the right for people to believe what they want to believe, and for those people to not be told "your beliefs are wrong and mine are right". It's fine to think that, but keep it to yourself. (And yes, I'm aware this applies to Hawking too)</p><p></p><p>(I'll admit that I've probably done that myself when particularly annoyed with people on this forum in the past, but I'm trying to avoid doing it going forward, as a sign of respect for people's beliefs. If I do it, feel free to yell at me and direct me back to this post)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ayasano, post: 94590, member: 4804"] Firstly, I will admit I made an assumption here as to the exact nature of your beliefs, and I apologize for that. "Well , do you know that my god is your god is his god is all god? God is God regardless." Those are your exact words. You are asserting that any god or goddess anyone else believes in is in fact your god, and that they are incorrect in their beliefs. If you simply chose your words poorly and did not mean that, then say that, but don't deny that you said it in the first place. I came back into this discussion because you decided on your own that I must have "issues" and that I believe in something I have explicitly stated I do not. If you insult me, I'm not going to let that go unchallenged. Also, FYI, saying atheists have issues is tantamount to saying they're the problem. Don't nitpick. Firstly, you again assert that I must believe in something I in fact don't believe in: "Only the way you talk... It leads me to think you doubt your faith in godlessness. But not enough to admit to it." Now, on to the main point, you said: "I think Stephen Hawking is just so bitter about his circumstances in this life that he harbors a hatred of God..." This implies that in order to assert that God doesn't exist, you must harbour a hatred of God, and by extension the opposite is not true, ie. "you can assert that God does not exist without hating him" is false. By making the statement he did, Hawking implies that none of the other gods/goddesses exist either. So by your own logic, he must hate those gods/goddesses too, and by extension, believe in them. So by your own logic, Hawking must believe in all possible gods/goddesses and hate them. See? What you believe doesn't concern me. You could believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and it wouldn't make a difference. What matters is the right for people to believe what they want to believe, and for those people to not be told "your beliefs are wrong and mine are right". It's fine to think that, but keep it to yourself. (And yes, I'm aware this applies to Hawking too) (I'll admit that I've probably done that myself when particularly annoyed with people on this forum in the past, but I'm trying to avoid doing it going forward, as a sign of respect for people's beliefs. If I do it, feel free to yell at me and direct me back to this post) [/QUOTE]
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