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<blockquote data-quote="Harte" data-source="post: 15972" data-attributes="member: 443"><p><strong>Re: The Creation of Man</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Dmitri,</p><p>Bacteria and viruses can survive under some of the harshest conditions, it's true. But your post only mentions temperatures. There is deadly radiation abundant in space. From looking at panspermia websites (pro and con) I don't see that anyone has really dealt with this question.</p><p> </p><p>As for your earlier post about causation, let's take your example of worlds A and B:</p><p> </p><p>"Suppose for simplicity, only two of the many worlds exist. Then world ?A? supplies life from its future to the past of world ?B? and conversely, world ?B? supplies the past of world ?A? with its life. Increase the number of the worlds from one or two to as many as you like, the principle is the same: life is made in labs and fills the world(s) at their early stages."</p><p> </p><p>The traveler from world "A" cannot exist because the one from world "B" has to start (or <strong><em>cause</em></strong>) his existence first. This cannot be because the world "B" traveller must first be created (or <strong><em>caused</em></strong>) by the non-existent world "A" traveler. This is the grandfather paradox on a cosmic scale. How is it possible for you to exist long enough for you to go back in time and kill someone who <strong><em>caused</em></strong> your existence in the first place? If changing a past creates a new universe, however, then the paradox goes away.</p><p></p><p>Here's how it must be:</p><p> </p><p> A traveler from Universe "A" supplies life from the future to a past. (Where that life came from is an open question.) The past he has entered is not his own because he comes from a universe where the past did not contain him. That means it's a different universe - call it Universe "B". In the future Universe "B", a time traveller goes into a past. It cannot be his past because he comes from a universe where the past did not contain him. It is possibly the past of Universe "A". If the traveler from "B" seeds "A"'s past with bacteria, it will not be what causes life in "A" because there was already life in "A" before there was life in "B", since life in "B" was <strong><em>caused</em></strong> by life in "A".</p><p> </p><p>What I'm getting at here is that it is possible that life in our universe came from time travellers. If it did, those travellers were from a different universe since a thing cannot create itself.</p><p> </p><p>It strikes me that your time travelling panspermia theory is really philosophically similar to evolution in that both expect something to be created from nothing. If you feel that a thing can create itself, then what's your beef with evolution?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harte, post: 15972, member: 443"] [b]Re: The Creation of Man[/b] Dmitri, Bacteria and viruses can survive under some of the harshest conditions, it's true. But your post only mentions temperatures. There is deadly radiation abundant in space. From looking at panspermia websites (pro and con) I don't see that anyone has really dealt with this question. As for your earlier post about causation, let's take your example of worlds A and B: "Suppose for simplicity, only two of the many worlds exist. Then world ?A? supplies life from its future to the past of world ?B? and conversely, world ?B? supplies the past of world ?A? with its life. Increase the number of the worlds from one or two to as many as you like, the principle is the same: life is made in labs and fills the world(s) at their early stages." The traveler from world "A" cannot exist because the one from world "B" has to start (or [b][i]cause[/i][/b]) his existence first. This cannot be because the world "B" traveller must first be created (or [b][i]caused[/i][/b]) by the non-existent world "A" traveler. This is the grandfather paradox on a cosmic scale. How is it possible for you to exist long enough for you to go back in time and kill someone who [b][i]caused[/i][/b] your existence in the first place? If changing a past creates a new universe, however, then the paradox goes away. Here's how it must be: A traveler from Universe "A" supplies life from the future to a past. (Where that life came from is an open question.) The past he has entered is not his own because he comes from a universe where the past did not contain him. That means it's a different universe - call it Universe "B". In the future Universe "B", a time traveller goes into a past. It cannot be his past because he comes from a universe where the past did not contain him. It is possibly the past of Universe "A". If the traveler from "B" seeds "A"'s past with bacteria, it will not be what causes life in "A" because there was already life in "A" before there was life in "B", since life in "B" was [b][i]caused[/i][/b] by life in "A". What I'm getting at here is that it is possible that life in our universe came from time travellers. If it did, those travellers were from a different universe since a thing cannot create itself. It strikes me that your time travelling panspermia theory is really philosophically similar to evolution in that both expect something to be created from nothing. If you feel that a thing can create itself, then what's your beef with evolution? [/QUOTE]
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