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<blockquote data-quote="Dmitri" data-source="post: 15991" data-attributes="member: 397"><p><strong>Re: The Creation of Man</strong></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Harte,</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I have been trying to come to terms with these ideas about life origins since very recently, actually a couple of weeks before my first post in this forum. A long time ago, probably 15 years or so back, I just figured natural selection on random variation is not an option, but I did not question common descent and the tree of life, I actually worked on phylogenetic trees, in the meantime thinking Lamarckian mechanisms should be most topical, but they would not explain the origin of new functions anyway. Then very recently I have rejected the single trunk tree, and have been trying to make sense of the ID papers and books, so I have little thought through so far. Here are a couple of points. I thought many worlds are not physically connected and will never be in the context of the concept. When we talk past ? present ? future(-space) how do we mean different or parallel universes if we have points of physical connections? Is it not like a four-bedroom house, with a utility room made into another bedroom, with several additions? </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">What bothers me most in Hoyle?s system is that he suggests two ways that direct evolution while either would be OK to me. This is not to say that there may not be even more than two, it is just how to bridge them. I mean viruses as vectors of evolution on the one hand and signals from the future on the other. This starts from the seeming conflict that life forms deteriorate by mutations with time unless they have means to fight chaos of thermodynamics. If life is being directly upgraded by viruses/ bacteria this solves the problem. If life has the property, even at quantum level, to accommodate information from future, this too solves the problem, without the need for viral upgrades. It seems, without viruses, pertinent molecules of life should behave according to and towards future biochemical-physiological solutions, thus build more information and complexity on the way to realizing these future states. This alone would explain evolution. All needed molecules are here at hand in the cell, moving, kicking each other looking for something better. Vs. viruses come from a very long way, likely from ET, maybe future ET. Maybe this is because our DNA does not yet have enough means to create new long chunks of itself however hard it looks ahead and forward to it. </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dmitri, post: 15991, member: 397"] [b]Re: The Creation of Man[/b] [font=Verdana]Harte,[/font] [font=Verdana]I have been trying to come to terms with these ideas about life origins since very recently, actually a couple of weeks before my first post in this forum. A long time ago, probably 15 years or so back, I just figured natural selection on random variation is not an option, but I did not question common descent and the tree of life, I actually worked on phylogenetic trees, in the meantime thinking Lamarckian mechanisms should be most topical, but they would not explain the origin of new functions anyway. Then very recently I have rejected the single trunk tree, and have been trying to make sense of the ID papers and books, so I have little thought through so far. Here are a couple of points. I thought many worlds are not physically connected and will never be in the context of the concept. When we talk past ? present ? future(-space) how do we mean different or parallel universes if we have points of physical connections? Is it not like a four-bedroom house, with a utility room made into another bedroom, with several additions? [/font] [font=Verdana]What bothers me most in Hoyle?s system is that he suggests two ways that direct evolution while either would be OK to me. This is not to say that there may not be even more than two, it is just how to bridge them. I mean viruses as vectors of evolution on the one hand and signals from the future on the other. This starts from the seeming conflict that life forms deteriorate by mutations with time unless they have means to fight chaos of thermodynamics. If life is being directly upgraded by viruses/ bacteria this solves the problem. If life has the property, even at quantum level, to accommodate information from future, this too solves the problem, without the need for viral upgrades. It seems, without viruses, pertinent molecules of life should behave according to and towards future biochemical-physiological solutions, thus build more information and complexity on the way to realizing these future states. This alone would explain evolution. All needed molecules are here at hand in the cell, moving, kicking each other looking for something better. Vs. viruses come from a very long way, likely from ET, maybe future ET. Maybe this is because our DNA does not yet have enough means to create new long chunks of itself however hard it looks ahead and forward to it. [/font] [/QUOTE]
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