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<blockquote data-quote="SinisterThinking" data-source="post: 197662" data-attributes="member: 12714"><p>You can't see anything moving into the hole unless you're there moving in with it.</p><p></p><p><strong>Do you see the earth move through space? We are definitely moving with it.</strong></p><p><strong>It's excruciatingly slow but it is certainly measurable.You can also assume visibility when your dealing with wavelength.</strong> </p><p></p><p></p><p>What's been seen is gas orbiting a black hole. Any of it that touches the event horizon is still there now, to us.</p><p></p><p><strong>Here's the problem with that observation. Imagine that you are standing right in front of an oncoming tornado. Let's assume that tornado is 4 light years away. Knowing the nature of a tornado you must assume it's moving. At that moment you measure it's distance, that distance changes by V/T. The change is measurable thus making it observable. </strong></p><p></p><p>And time only stops for the observer, and the time that stops is not the observer's time.</p><p></p><p><strong>Either time stops or time does not stop. Time isn't a thing. It's merely a "ratio-oriented" measurement. More importantly, that measurement is a human construct AND requires measurable change to occur. </strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd point out that if the roles were reversed and the observer was falling into the hole (and somehow watching another person not in the gravity well,) then to the falling observer time would stop for that other person. So it works both ways.</p><p></p><p><strong>There is no way to apply conjecture to a black hole. Scientists are far from having any understanding of the "event horizon".</strong></p><p></p><p>But, yes, the flow of time depends on observation, just like the rest of reality.</p><p></p><p><strong>Observations aren't always visible.</strong></p><p><strong>Now you are buying into Brian Greene's(I think that's his name) ideas of "sensations". Reality is easily acceptable. It's not rocket science.</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SinisterThinking, post: 197662, member: 12714"] You can't see anything moving into the hole unless you're there moving in with it. [B]Do you see the earth move through space? We are definitely moving with it. It's excruciatingly slow but it is certainly measurable.You can also assume visibility when your dealing with wavelength.[/B] What's been seen is gas orbiting a black hole. Any of it that touches the event horizon is still there now, to us. [B]Here's the problem with that observation. Imagine that you are standing right in front of an oncoming tornado. Let's assume that tornado is 4 light years away. Knowing the nature of a tornado you must assume it's moving. At that moment you measure it's distance, that distance changes by V/T. The change is measurable thus making it observable. [/B] And time only stops for the observer, and the time that stops is not the observer's time. [B]Either time stops or time does not stop. Time isn't a thing. It's merely a "ratio-oriented" measurement. More importantly, that measurement is a human construct AND requires measurable change to occur. [/B] I'd point out that if the roles were reversed and the observer was falling into the hole (and somehow watching another person not in the gravity well,) then to the falling observer time would stop for that other person. So it works both ways. [B]There is no way to apply conjecture to a black hole. Scientists are far from having any understanding of the "event horizon".[/B] But, yes, the flow of time depends on observation, just like the rest of reality. [B]Observations aren't always visible. Now you are buying into Brian Greene's(I think that's his name) ideas of "sensations". Reality is easily acceptable. It's not rocket science.[/B] [/QUOTE]
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