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<blockquote data-quote="Phoenix" data-source="post: 39178" data-attributes="member: 10"><p><strong>Re: The truth about the so-called Global Warming</strong></p><p></p><p>*The Great Global Warming Swindle</p><p style="text-align: left">created by: Martin Durkin</p> <p style="text-align: left">Original Broadcast</p> <p style="text-align: left">Chanel 4, 8 March, 2007</p> <p style="text-align: left">Running time 74 mins</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">Assertion:</p> <p style="text-align: left">a multibillion-dollar worldwide industry: created by fanatically anti-industrial environmentalists; supported by scientists peddling scare stories to chase funding; and propped up by complicit politicians and the media</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">Evidence:</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">- While carbon dioxide since 1940 to 1975 increased, global temperatures decreased</p> <p style="text-align: left">- Satellite and weather balloon data show surface warming >= low troposphere unlike models of greenhouse effect-derived temperature</p> <p style="text-align: left">- CO2 levels lagged behind temperature increases during glacial terminations</p> <p style="text-align: left">- CO2 increase from temperature increases ( warm climate releases CO2 from oceans)</p> <p style="text-align: left">- CO2 can lag by 800 years because of the large mass of the worlds oceans</p> <p style="text-align: left">- Water vapour makes up 95% of greenhouses gases by reflecting solar heat</p> <p style="text-align: left">- CO2 accounts for 0.054% of Earth atmosphere and human activity much less than 1% of that</p> <p style="text-align: left">the oceans are the biggest cource of CO2 by far</p> <p style="text-align: left">- Solar activity is currently at an extremely high level and is far more influential than any other man-made or natural activity on Earth</p> <p style="text-align: left">- the Medieval Warm period was even more extreme than our current episode of global warming and was a time of great prosperity in western Europe.</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">Retractions made from the original version (from complaints of falsified data):</p> <p style="text-align: left"><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/c4-accused-of-falsifying-data-in-documentary-on-climate-change-447927.html" target="_blank">C4 accused of falsifying data in documentary on climate change - Media, News - The Independent</a></p> <p style="text-align: left">- One graph had its time axis relabeled</p> <p style="text-align: left">"We have concerns regarding the use of a graph featured in the documentary titled ‘Temp & Solar Activity 400 Years’. Firstly, we have reason to believe that parts of the graph were made up of fabricated data that were presented as genuine. The inclusion of the artificial data is both misleading and pointless. Secondly, although the narrator commentary during the presentation of the graph is consistent with the conclusions of the paper from which the figure originates, it incorrectly rules out a contribution by anthropogenic greenhouse gases to 20th century global warming."</p> <p style="text-align: left">Friis-Christensen, with environmental Research Fellow Nathan Rive</p> <p style="text-align: left">- the claim that volcanoes produce more CO2 than humans was removed</p> <p style="text-align: left">"A second issue was the claim that human emissions of CO2 are small compared to natural emissions from volcanoes. This is untrue: current annual emissions from fossil fuel burning and cement production are estimated to be around 100 times greater than average annual volcanic emissions of CO2. That large volcanoes cannot significantly perturb the CO2 concentration of the atmosphere is apparent from the ice core and atmospheric record of CO2 concentrations, which shows a steady rise during the industrial period, with no unusual changes after large eruptions."</p> <p style="text-align: left"><a href="http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/about_bas/news/news_story.php?id=178" target="_blank">News Story - BAS Statement about Channel 4 programme on Global Warming - British Antarctic Survey</a></p> <p style="text-align: left">- the interview with Carl Wunsch was removed or the international DVD releases of the program</p> <p style="text-align: left">"In the part of The Great Climate Change Swindle where I am describing the fact that the ocean tends to expel carbon dioxide where it is warm, and to absorb it where it is cold, my intent was to explain that warming the ocean could be dangerous—because it is such a gigantic reservoir of carbon. By its placement in the film, it appears that I am saying that since carbon dioxide exists in the ocean in such large quantities, human influence must not be very important—diametrically opposite to the point I was making—which is that global warming is both real and threatening."</p> <p style="text-align: left"><a href="http://ocean.mit.edu/~cwunsch/papersonline/channel4response" target="_blank">http://ocean.mit.edu/~cwunsch/papersonline/channel4response</a></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">I would hasten to then conclude we are not dealing with a credible source to back your assertion Max X. I am sure the "documentary" must have been persuasive. </p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">It has been endorsed by Steven Milloy of FOX News</p> <p style="text-align: left"><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258993,00.html" target="_blank">FOXNews.com - Must-See Global Warming TV - Opinion</a></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">But Steven Milloy also has close ties with Exxon Mobil.</p> <p style="text-align: left"><a href="http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/05/some_like_it_hot.html" target="_blank">Some Like It Hot | Mother Jones</a></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">I am not sure if you would like further detailed review of your sources. I do believe I gave good faith effort on my part to present my reasonable grounds to differ in my perspective from yours.</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Phoenix, post: 39178, member: 10"] [b]Re: The truth about the so-called Global Warming[/b] *The Great Global Warming Swindle [LEFT]created by: Martin Durkin Original Broadcast Chanel 4, 8 March, 2007 Running time 74 mins Assertion: a multibillion-dollar worldwide industry: created by fanatically anti-industrial environmentalists; supported by scientists peddling scare stories to chase funding; and propped up by complicit politicians and the media Evidence: - While carbon dioxide since 1940 to 1975 increased, global temperatures decreased - Satellite and weather balloon data show surface warming >= low troposphere unlike models of greenhouse effect-derived temperature - CO2 levels lagged behind temperature increases during glacial terminations - CO2 increase from temperature increases ( warm climate releases CO2 from oceans) - CO2 can lag by 800 years because of the large mass of the worlds oceans - Water vapour makes up 95% of greenhouses gases by reflecting solar heat - CO2 accounts for 0.054% of Earth atmosphere and human activity much less than 1% of that the oceans are the biggest cource of CO2 by far - Solar activity is currently at an extremely high level and is far more influential than any other man-made or natural activity on Earth - the Medieval Warm period was even more extreme than our current episode of global warming and was a time of great prosperity in western Europe. Retractions made from the original version (from complaints of falsified data): [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/c4-accused-of-falsifying-data-in-documentary-on-climate-change-447927.html]C4 accused of falsifying data in documentary on climate change - Media, News - The Independent[/url] - One graph had its time axis relabeled "We have concerns regarding the use of a graph featured in the documentary titled ‘Temp & Solar Activity 400 Years’. Firstly, we have reason to believe that parts of the graph were made up of fabricated data that were presented as genuine. The inclusion of the artificial data is both misleading and pointless. Secondly, although the narrator commentary during the presentation of the graph is consistent with the conclusions of the paper from which the figure originates, it incorrectly rules out a contribution by anthropogenic greenhouse gases to 20th century global warming." Friis-Christensen, with environmental Research Fellow Nathan Rive - the claim that volcanoes produce more CO2 than humans was removed "A second issue was the claim that human emissions of CO2 are small compared to natural emissions from volcanoes. This is untrue: current annual emissions from fossil fuel burning and cement production are estimated to be around 100 times greater than average annual volcanic emissions of CO2. That large volcanoes cannot significantly perturb the CO2 concentration of the atmosphere is apparent from the ice core and atmospheric record of CO2 concentrations, which shows a steady rise during the industrial period, with no unusual changes after large eruptions." [url=http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/about_bas/news/news_story.php?id=178]News Story - BAS Statement about Channel 4 programme on Global Warming - British Antarctic Survey[/url] - the interview with Carl Wunsch was removed or the international DVD releases of the program "In the part of The Great Climate Change Swindle where I am describing the fact that the ocean tends to expel carbon dioxide where it is warm, and to absorb it where it is cold, my intent was to explain that warming the ocean could be dangerous—because it is such a gigantic reservoir of carbon. By its placement in the film, it appears that I am saying that since carbon dioxide exists in the ocean in such large quantities, human influence must not be very important—diametrically opposite to the point I was making—which is that global warming is both real and threatening." [url]http://ocean.mit.edu/~cwunsch/papersonline/channel4response[/url] I would hasten to then conclude we are not dealing with a credible source to back your assertion Max X. I am sure the "documentary" must have been persuasive. It has been endorsed by Steven Milloy of FOX News [url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258993,00.html]FOXNews.com - Must-See Global Warming TV - Opinion[/url] But Steven Milloy also has close ties with Exxon Mobil. [url=http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/05/some_like_it_hot.html]Some Like It Hot | Mother Jones[/url] I am not sure if you would like further detailed review of your sources. I do believe I gave good faith effort on my part to present my reasonable grounds to differ in my perspective from yours. [/LEFT] [/QUOTE]
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