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<blockquote data-quote="Justinian" data-source="post: 77883" data-attributes="member: 923"><p>Well, I think that the problem with a lot of people of ALL religions is that they never question the "what if" factor. I mean think about it.. if the Central and South American tribes had really a plan B or secondary religion other than everyone just following the one path, would not more of them have questioned the intentions of the Conquistadors? </p><p></p><p>If God sat down today or more like appeared in the form of a cloud today and spoke into all of our minds that he is real, he will no longer tolerate any religions except X, then how many people will still not believe and think it is an alien trick? This is the same argument as time travel. What will it really take to offer proof to some people. I personally don't believe that you can have a what if in your mind with religion. I mean when it comes to true believers, can you really call yourself a true believer of whatever religion if you are always wondering what if? </p><p></p><p>Therein lies the great debate. Atheists are so hell bent on trying to prove just one small fallacy to religions that don't want to, nay, cannot have their belief waver and still be a true believer. If I were a Christian I would be the one going kicking and screaming into the night before I would be tempted by any disbeliever. You just have to accept it for what it is. Religions have their beliefs. Atheists believe to not believe. Agnostics are kind of the fence riders. Willing to believe that something probably exists while never taking sides. If you talk with anyone from any religion about their beliefs and you want them to listen to you about your points, your mind can't be set on proving them wrong. That's how wars start. You have to be able to talk calmly while acknowledging the others points. To go into a conversation or debate with the only thought in your mind that the other person will eventually come around to your thinking won't work. A good debate is one where both sides can talk calmly while at the same time acknowledging each others points. In the end, it's okay to disagree still. This has to be the case otherwise we'd be living in the type of world that I want no part of.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justinian, post: 77883, member: 923"] Well, I think that the problem with a lot of people of ALL religions is that they never question the "what if" factor. I mean think about it.. if the Central and South American tribes had really a plan B or secondary religion other than everyone just following the one path, would not more of them have questioned the intentions of the Conquistadors? If God sat down today or more like appeared in the form of a cloud today and spoke into all of our minds that he is real, he will no longer tolerate any religions except X, then how many people will still not believe and think it is an alien trick? This is the same argument as time travel. What will it really take to offer proof to some people. I personally don't believe that you can have a what if in your mind with religion. I mean when it comes to true believers, can you really call yourself a true believer of whatever religion if you are always wondering what if? Therein lies the great debate. Atheists are so hell bent on trying to prove just one small fallacy to religions that don't want to, nay, cannot have their belief waver and still be a true believer. If I were a Christian I would be the one going kicking and screaming into the night before I would be tempted by any disbeliever. You just have to accept it for what it is. Religions have their beliefs. Atheists believe to not believe. Agnostics are kind of the fence riders. Willing to believe that something probably exists while never taking sides. If you talk with anyone from any religion about their beliefs and you want them to listen to you about your points, your mind can't be set on proving them wrong. That's how wars start. You have to be able to talk calmly while acknowledging the others points. To go into a conversation or debate with the only thought in your mind that the other person will eventually come around to your thinking won't work. A good debate is one where both sides can talk calmly while at the same time acknowledging each others points. In the end, it's okay to disagree still. This has to be the case otherwise we'd be living in the type of world that I want no part of. [/QUOTE]
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