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<blockquote data-quote="Justinian" data-source="post: 77895" data-attributes="member: 923"><p>I understand your point. You're preaching to the choir here. What I was trying to do is emphasize the point that others may be feeling. Think of it like this. If you're happy with life as you know it, would you really want someone telling you it's shitty and that your blinders are keeping that truth from you? I don't mean to venture that life without knowing religion is shitty, just that religion does make people happy. It fills a void in people's lives. Why would you want to press and press on someone only to show them that there's nothing here. Like a man that keeps pressing and pressing his girlfriend to open a present he buys for her. She wants to wait until after midnight for the exact hour of the anniversary, but he's so insistent that it's going to be the greatest gift she'll ever know. And then, she finally gives in to him, opens the box.. but it's empty. And now two people share in the knowledge that the box is empty. And so for Xmas that year, the girl takes the box, rewraps it and gives it to her mother the night before Xmas, and begs and begs.. etc and on goes the story. Point here in short. It's all good and well your beliefs or lack thereof, but why push and get upset when someone doesn't care to listen? You can type and yell until you're blue in the face, but sometimes it's just well enough to know that those people understand what you believe and that IF/when they choose to hear and listen, they know who they can come to. Sometimes it's better to listen, than to talk. I'm not doubting your knowledge or your enthusiasm, but if you want other people to respect what you believe or don't believe then you have to respect the fact they might listen, but will refuse to believe. I know for a fact right now that I could put some people I know in a time machine, take them back to ancient times and show them whether or not Jesus was real and take them to places that these miraculous events happened. Now the believers are not going to believe that your machine is real if nothing is there. The non believers will never believe it is real even if you see something. You see? This is a catch 22. I believe that as an Atheist it is not my job to push people into any one direction with respect to religions. I like being an Atheist because I was tired of being pushed. I don't want to do that to anyone else. Maybe I'm not explaining myself correctly here though. </p><p></p><p></p><p>As for me personally. Not really. I asked why too many times and got no reply. I ventured into all sorts of other religions. I've tried almost all of them save Islam. They just didn't feel right to me. It wasn't really a what if, it was more of a feeling of not fitting in.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justinian, post: 77895, member: 923"] I understand your point. You're preaching to the choir here. What I was trying to do is emphasize the point that others may be feeling. Think of it like this. If you're happy with life as you know it, would you really want someone telling you it's shitty and that your blinders are keeping that truth from you? I don't mean to venture that life without knowing religion is shitty, just that religion does make people happy. It fills a void in people's lives. Why would you want to press and press on someone only to show them that there's nothing here. Like a man that keeps pressing and pressing his girlfriend to open a present he buys for her. She wants to wait until after midnight for the exact hour of the anniversary, but he's so insistent that it's going to be the greatest gift she'll ever know. And then, she finally gives in to him, opens the box.. but it's empty. And now two people share in the knowledge that the box is empty. And so for Xmas that year, the girl takes the box, rewraps it and gives it to her mother the night before Xmas, and begs and begs.. etc and on goes the story. Point here in short. It's all good and well your beliefs or lack thereof, but why push and get upset when someone doesn't care to listen? You can type and yell until you're blue in the face, but sometimes it's just well enough to know that those people understand what you believe and that IF/when they choose to hear and listen, they know who they can come to. Sometimes it's better to listen, than to talk. I'm not doubting your knowledge or your enthusiasm, but if you want other people to respect what you believe or don't believe then you have to respect the fact they might listen, but will refuse to believe. I know for a fact right now that I could put some people I know in a time machine, take them back to ancient times and show them whether or not Jesus was real and take them to places that these miraculous events happened. Now the believers are not going to believe that your machine is real if nothing is there. The non believers will never believe it is real even if you see something. You see? This is a catch 22. I believe that as an Atheist it is not my job to push people into any one direction with respect to religions. I like being an Atheist because I was tired of being pushed. I don't want to do that to anyone else. Maybe I'm not explaining myself correctly here though. As for me personally. Not really. I asked why too many times and got no reply. I ventured into all sorts of other religions. I've tried almost all of them save Islam. They just didn't feel right to me. It wasn't really a what if, it was more of a feeling of not fitting in. [/QUOTE]
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