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<blockquote data-quote="Orpheus Rex" data-source="post: 197967" data-attributes="member: 4500"><p>I'll disagree and say that's particularly Western. The West argued a version of God where there can be no epistemological access to God except after death (the beatific vision) and forcing religious knowledge to only be possible through natural theology, which has causes a breakdown in epistemology at large in the West - a lot of very stupid arguments - and there is no longer even a basic 'theory of knowledge' anymore. It's a dead end paradigm, but it's not the whole of the 'debate.'</p><p></p><p>And sadly, even if something is debated well, it does not mean consensus can be achieved. People hold onto their presuppositions fiercely, as we see in that kind of debate, but just because agreement is not reached as a result does not mean that there isn't rightness or correctness on one side of the debate and not the other.</p><p></p><p>But religion is unavoidable. Terrence McKenna has faith in his Clockwork Elves and the genocide that they recommend to him. All moral values are religious, thus for Terrence 'genocide is good' but I disagree with him and thus by having differing moral values we have a religious debate.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Orpheus Rex, post: 197967, member: 4500"] I'll disagree and say that's particularly Western. The West argued a version of God where there can be no epistemological access to God except after death (the beatific vision) and forcing religious knowledge to only be possible through natural theology, which has causes a breakdown in epistemology at large in the West - a lot of very stupid arguments - and there is no longer even a basic 'theory of knowledge' anymore. It's a dead end paradigm, but it's not the whole of the 'debate.' And sadly, even if something is debated well, it does not mean consensus can be achieved. People hold onto their presuppositions fiercely, as we see in that kind of debate, but just because agreement is not reached as a result does not mean that there isn't rightness or correctness on one side of the debate and not the other. But religion is unavoidable. Terrence McKenna has faith in his Clockwork Elves and the genocide that they recommend to him. All moral values are religious, thus for Terrence 'genocide is good' but I disagree with him and thus by having differing moral values we have a religious debate. [/QUOTE]
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