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Paul Posted: Jun 7 2004, 06:41 PM
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She throwed a shoe in the holy creek at Parnassus, & I spent the night on the Cader Idris, stone chair—morning finds you d’ead, mad, or a poet.
The floor opened as I reclined in the emboss’d alcove, & I inhaled the corrupt Pythian vapor; thus by mysterious enfranchisement aloof, & with the glowing lung of divine confounding, I likewise augur the toss’d entraiils of Titor’s utterance
Would you be better off if half of you were d’ead.*
A zoomorphic doggerel—bear with me. For Titor would say nothing if not a starkly significant thing, of numerous interpretive and edifying strata, aiming to learn you some bygob swinepearls, chestnuts, and such other harsh maxims worthy of centuries of vacant recitation. With that meal you are sated; and you’ll never stick fork in Satanroasted hoaxterflesh again.
The swart vagabond jangled the meaningful fingerbones and toothless kissd her own; & roll’d for a hard 9 cross the brushed and printed felt. We saw foreign policy and the unraveling of Constitutional guarantees; yo-leven; easy 8; the imaginary virtuous holocaust of the Titor, all the enraptured rebels safe in Podunk.
We saw John Titor in the guise of John Frum and Wovoka, promising merchandise and that the bullets would turn to water in our morally clean bodies. We saw him as Joe Smith, defenestrated in Illinois, having promised us a socialist salvation.
Half Titor! Lo! For if half of one is dead, what of the other half but immortal life? Them’s our Better Angels & Gardens, sired out of Olympus, destined for ridiculous but didactic doom—such as turning into a tree, being torn up by wolverines, or having an eagle drop a turtle on your bald spot.
He hadn’t thought d’eath had undone so many—the traipsing bard—well what was he thinking? At least three billion in Hades root for the lethal striving of the living. Half of you are already d’ead—couldn’t avoid it, like the plague. So which half is better off? This is the coy enigma.
D’ead from the neck up, trailing the howling forgotten ones, taking up the rear still kicking, we would have a religion to do our thinkin’ for us.
Titor as Mary Baker Eddy, swearing that cancer could be cured by reading; as William Miller, promising heaven on earth, or at least throughout the Midwest; as Amy Semple McPherson, reversing Aphrodite by disappearing into the foam off Santa Monica.
Titor has left—will come again—the video of his departure was rolled in front of the cave of his doubt, sealing him certainly into absence, inviolate of questions; then three years later we revisit, find the place wide open—Titor has risen—surely he comes again. Legend has it he walks among us still.
Gnomic verses console us. The Parable of the Mad Cow; the Parable of the Bike Tires; the teachings about the Five Friends within Five Days’ Journey in sandals. The Woman Left Sobbing at the Well of the Internet.
No one knows a thing about him until he’s in his thirties, and he tells us he won’t be with us long, must leave soon, is on a very special mission involving his father. We hang on his every word—he speaks of a better place waiting for us on the other side of the H’ell of this world. The lucky ones of us—no more than half—will live in postnuclear Pollyanna Celebration Florida.
Disney has designed the Matrix, aswarm with the pseudoliving—so many I hadn’t reckoned. Avoid deletion: join a shotgun militia, saith the Titor.
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Urno Arnan Ralan Posted: Jun 8 2004, 09:37 PM
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Paul Posted: Jun 8 2004, 09:59 PM
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Sippin’ laudanum in the Unprecedented Suite, my head brung in by roomservice finally, at the Sahara in Las Vegas, I had me one of them visions again: this time about the Separation of Church and State.
As the bellylapdancer in the perforated Kennedy halfdollar bangles poured my complimentary Screaming Night Hog later in the tilting room of the Cleopatra Barge Lounge, I contemplated the great doctrine of A Nation of Laws Not Men.
As I fell on my a** on the tour of Hoover Dam (“14 suicides, folks; 8 on the wet side, 6 on the dry”), it occurred to me to become as a voice outen the State Parks system and Bureau of Land Management:
Put your faith in Titor, and forget the embarrassing dialectic of doubt and selfexamination. Honor your desires and not your curiosity, and thereby join the future. Make everybody like one another, Titor; like one another as they like their own brothers. That’s all that matters: a general amiability and unsurprising consistency. Make us as all as anonymous and friendly as toys.
What do it mean, the amphiboly of his phrasings; his Orphic obfuscations and crypticisms? We will convene a college of invested celibates to decipher his sense, and vouchsafe it to an expensive institution awaiting his Return. He will choose a time and squeeze it into the calendar. Tuesdays are bad; posthumous appointments are available.
His car comes in available bucket seats; it doesn’t have them, you understand. They are available.
When he said Mad Cow, did he also mean Mad She’ep? How is the cow mad—is she angered, is she demented? Will Satan wrestle Titor at last, and debunk him upon the barren steppes? How many DeLoreans or pickups can dance upon a space “the size of an electron?”
Secret signs passed between the elect: By these signs shall ye know me. Many will come claiming to be me; with the ears to hear, you will discern the false prophets. I come as a thief in the night, again, and pity on those with child in them days. The mountains may harbor you—or Florida—or Omaha. Flee the cities: not one stone will remain atop another. The skies and earth will be rent asunder; many atoms will be split. Pity them without a first-aid kit in them days.
Better off if half of you d’ead?
No. But is JTT’r d’ead, or unborn yet in his literate self; living only as a brat prodigy, blighted by the advent of his mature avatar? He chokes upon his words before he has had a chance to suffer their experiences, their histories, their context. The hero god’s image is plastered on the ceiling in his two chief forms, coexistent according to the mystery of the passion—infant and sacrificial rabbit. I mean, rabbi.
The three-year ministry has ended; now the deification.
Lives with his parents under the same roof, toddler and adult living with the other paradoxes—virgin mother, mute cuckold, grandfather of himself. Faithful woman, selected for his special, secret message, patiently waits in the alley. A leper is lowered through the grass roof. Mendicants pore over the text.
“Religion and patriotism were bound together in a thousand impressive rites;… every law, every meeting of the assembly or the c’ourts, every major enterprise of the army or the govern’ment, every school and university, every economic or political association, was surrounded with religious ceremony and invocation.”
in ancient Greece (Durant). JTT’r spoke of a renewed Christianity in the wake of the global holocaust. Half the race is sacrificed, its flesh seared and offered to heaven, for the sake of the blessed survivors, none of whom are any longer interested in money.
His revolution is the sacred combat against the evil of imperial tyranny. A remote military power blocks home rule. We struggle against the Famine and the Crown. The centurions are posted in our violated livingrooms; the local authority, whose hands are tied, washes them nonetheless.
I give you the up & coming cult of the 21st Century; 21-23. Soon to be a major religion coming to a celebritybin near you.
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hackimer, rob Posted: Jun 8 2004, 10:37 PM
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He channels the great one! The future Se'er. The future pastdriver.
Bow before the light emitted!
Bow before the gracious countenance!
He doeth walk again among us! HEED!
Hiding in front of his own words. (peragrous of their true intent)
Bring down the power of his prophecy.
Satan may settle the scourge.
I genuflect.
He feels his home, but even Gods misconstrue.
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All rise.
Half sit.
You put your left foot in.
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CaryP Posted: Jun 9 2004, 10:08 AM
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He channels the great one! The future Se'er. The future pastdriver.
Bow before the light emitted!
Bow before the gracious countenance!
He doeth walk again among us! HEED!
Hiding in front of his own words. (peragrous of their true intent)
Bring down the power of his prophecy.
Satan may settle the scourge.
I genuflect.
He feels his home, but even Gods misconstrue.
Yeah! whatever Hack said! (Where did all this eloquence come from? I mean, I'm impressed and everything, but it's very "different.") *takes hat off and bows before the multi-talented Paul* Rock on brother.
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August Posted: Jun 9 2004, 06:33 PM
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Paul,
I have a great amount of respect for you. But while all our friends are lighting the pyres in your praise, I must take issue with your Titor label.
My reading list is starved for this information. So Tampa, Cornelia, Cary, Hack and others please add or subtract from the following statements as you see fit. In my understanding,
A Cult Leader
1) Positions self above the followers: "Among them but not of them"
Check this one for the Titor event. He did fulfill this requirement.
2) Gains immediately and directly from his interaction with the flock of s/heep: S/ex, Power, Money, Control
Not this one--debunkers tell us that after waiting two years, the hoaxer(s) decided to make money. Look up your notes from American Enterprise 101.
3) Promises the absence of pain in exchange for faith and sacrifice.
The Titor event promises pain and sacrifice in exchange for critical thinking.
4) Separates the flock from those who would challenge the flock.
The Titor event took place in a wolf den. Have you read MadIce's reconstruction of the event's thread? Wolves. And to this day the "s/heep" are still only 75% accepting. And the event left us all in the same forums arguing amongst ourselves: the flock has actually befriended, in some cases, the challengers. Yes I do still think of TampaUSA as a friend of sorts.
So as for a 21st Century cult--I give the Titor event a C+
And now let me really p/iss you all off. Paul, I know you are man enough to take the criticism.
I threw out my television in 1995. A man will read nearly anything after such a dark event as that. I was fortunately surrounded by good friends and good books.
When you read for a decade in a television culture, you get a very strange sense of things. It is a "stranger in a strange land" kind of thing. You constantly encounter the "Tarantino Ruler", that is, someone calls Pulp Fiction one of the greatest movies ever when the oldest film they've seen is D/ie Hard.
Before you all make Paul quit his day job, I want you all to do one of the most painful but rewarding things you have ever done in your life. I want you to avoid the internet and television for one month and read the following poem and novels.
"Song of Myself", Whitman (get the first version, 1855 I think)
Tropic of Cancer, Miller
The Dharma Bums, Kerouac
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Thompson
Ada, Nabokov
Finnegan’s Wake, Joyce
Then return to this thread and reread Paul's Prose Poem. You will then rise from the computer and take your places as the champion monastic keepers of culture you are destined to be!!! *cue sinister laugh*
And to you Sir, I say too much Hunter Thompson and not enough Absolute.
/August suddenly reveals protective armor in the face of Tampa's fiercely drawn Glock. Let’s hope he doesn’t aim for the head.
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CaryP Posted: Jun 9 2004, 09:25 PM
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August,
I don't have anything to add or subtract from your analysis, which I found to be pretty good. What I'm impressed by is that you threw out your TV in 1995. I'm too much of an addict to a few shows (Sopranos, The Shield and financial news networks) and good movies to attempt the withdrawal pains now. I appreciate your posts. You show good intellect and perspective, probably because you aren't a slave to pop culture coming in from the b-oob tube. (Damn, there's a lot of words that are verbotten here.) We were just having some fun with Paul's posts. I mean the man is talented and funny. The whole JT thing has become a religion of sorts for some of the faithful. Was he a TT? I have serious doubts, but anything is possible. How would I know anyway? Did his postings seem like doom and gloom hype at the time he posted it? Verifyably yes. Does it seem so weird and outlandish now? Hell no. I'm not sure what the point of my current mini-rant here is, except to say good post - keep 'em coming.
Cary
P.S. I will add your recommended reading list into my summer reading. Thanks.
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Cornelia Posted: Jun 9 2004, 09:41 PM
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Do you want ME to avoid the Internet for one month? blink.gif
You must be joking. crazy.gif
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August Posted: Jun 9 2004, 09:47 PM
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Cary,
I am being mostly playful as well. I still think the protective armor is necessary once Paul and Tampa show up. smile.gif
I must tell you, my friend, getting rid of that thing created an amazing experience.
I have never seen an episode of Survivor or the Sopranos. All I have seen is my compatriot's responses to the episodes on the following day. Their discussions are amazing and baffling. It transforms my role into "part-Anthropologist". Very strange. And I think TV has changed a lot since 1995.
Another similar experience I have had is playing old LPs. I have quite a collection. I also have about 300 CDs but the music is a compeletly different experience. When we used to play records, it was a social event. You talked with your friends as you were putting on a new record. And then you listened differently--with more intensity. For the needle moves quickly and gives the music an ephemeral quality. CDs are corporate-inspired elevator music vehicles. Background music. When was the last time you said to a friend, do you want to come over and play some CDs? The music is too easy or something. I have not sorted out all my thoughts on this.
None of my friends have taken me up on the advice I give them regarding the TV and I understand. TV is a valuable tool. But it is like a circular saw; as soon as you lose respect for it, it bites you.
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August Posted: Jun 9 2004, 09:52 PM
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Cornelia,
Europeans are the best-read people on the planet. happy.gif You are keepers of culture by default. You are welcome to my books, however. wink.gif But I think you are already a good judge of culture.
Carry on!
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QUOTE (August @ Jun 9 2004, 10:33 AM)
A Cult Leader
1) Positions self above the followers: "Among them but not of them"
Check this one for the Titor event. He did fulfill this requirement.
2) Gains immediately and directly from his interaction with the flock of s/heep: S/ex, Power, Money, Control
Not this one--debunkers tell us that after waiting two years, the hoaxer(s) decided to make money. Look up your notes from American Enterprise 101.
3) Promises the absence of pain in exchange for faith and sacrifice.
The Titor event promises pain and sacrifice in exchange for critical thinking.
4) Separates the flock from those who would challenge the flock.
Titor may not fit the definition of a cult leader, but someone who claims to be following in his foot steps could tailor himself to be one based on the posts of John Titor. In this way JT could give rise to a cult.
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Paul Posted: Jun 7 2004, 06:41 PM
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She throwed a shoe in the holy creek at Parnassus, & I spent the night on the Cader Idris, stone chair—morning finds you d’ead, mad, or a poet.
The floor opened as I reclined in the emboss’d alcove, & I inhaled the corrupt Pythian vapor; thus by mysterious enfranchisement aloof, & with the glowing lung of divine confounding, I likewise augur the toss’d entraiils of Titor’s utterance
Would you be better off if half of you were d’ead.*
A zoomorphic doggerel—bear with me. For Titor would say nothing if not a starkly significant thing, of numerous interpretive and edifying strata, aiming to learn you some bygob swinepearls, chestnuts, and such other harsh maxims worthy of centuries of vacant recitation. With that meal you are sated; and you’ll never stick fork in Satanroasted hoaxterflesh again.
The swart vagabond jangled the meaningful fingerbones and toothless kissd her own; & roll’d for a hard 9 cross the brushed and printed felt. We saw foreign policy and the unraveling of Constitutional guarantees; yo-leven; easy 8; the imaginary virtuous holocaust of the Titor, all the enraptured rebels safe in Podunk.
We saw John Titor in the guise of John Frum and Wovoka, promising merchandise and that the bullets would turn to water in our morally clean bodies. We saw him as Joe Smith, defenestrated in Illinois, having promised us a socialist salvation.
Half Titor! Lo! For if half of one is dead, what of the other half but immortal life? Them’s our Better Angels & Gardens, sired out of Olympus, destined for ridiculous but didactic doom—such as turning into a tree, being torn up by wolverines, or having an eagle drop a turtle on your bald spot.
He hadn’t thought d’eath had undone so many—the traipsing bard—well what was he thinking? At least three billion in Hades root for the lethal striving of the living. Half of you are already d’ead—couldn’t avoid it, like the plague. So which half is better off? This is the coy enigma.
D’ead from the neck up, trailing the howling forgotten ones, taking up the rear still kicking, we would have a religion to do our thinkin’ for us.
Titor as Mary Baker Eddy, swearing that cancer could be cured by reading; as William Miller, promising heaven on earth, or at least throughout the Midwest; as Amy Semple McPherson, reversing Aphrodite by disappearing into the foam off Santa Monica.
Titor has left—will come again—the video of his departure was rolled in front of the cave of his doubt, sealing him certainly into absence, inviolate of questions; then three years later we revisit, find the place wide open—Titor has risen—surely he comes again. Legend has it he walks among us still.
Gnomic verses console us. The Parable of the Mad Cow; the Parable of the Bike Tires; the teachings about the Five Friends within Five Days’ Journey in sandals. The Woman Left Sobbing at the Well of the Internet.
No one knows a thing about him until he’s in his thirties, and he tells us he won’t be with us long, must leave soon, is on a very special mission involving his father. We hang on his every word—he speaks of a better place waiting for us on the other side of the H’ell of this world. The lucky ones of us—no more than half—will live in postnuclear Pollyanna Celebration Florida.
Disney has designed the Matrix, aswarm with the pseudoliving—so many I hadn’t reckoned. Avoid deletion: join a shotgun militia, saith the Titor.
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Bravo!!!! Author!!! Author!!!! clap.gif clap.gif clap.gif clap.gif
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!!!Gasps!!!!
Amazing Paul.. amazing....
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Paul Posted: Jun 8 2004, 09:59 PM
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Sippin’ laudanum in the Unprecedented Suite, my head brung in by roomservice finally, at the Sahara in Las Vegas, I had me one of them visions again: this time about the Separation of Church and State.
As the bellylapdancer in the perforated Kennedy halfdollar bangles poured my complimentary Screaming Night Hog later in the tilting room of the Cleopatra Barge Lounge, I contemplated the great doctrine of A Nation of Laws Not Men.
As I fell on my a** on the tour of Hoover Dam (“14 suicides, folks; 8 on the wet side, 6 on the dry”), it occurred to me to become as a voice outen the State Parks system and Bureau of Land Management:
Put your faith in Titor, and forget the embarrassing dialectic of doubt and selfexamination. Honor your desires and not your curiosity, and thereby join the future. Make everybody like one another, Titor; like one another as they like their own brothers. That’s all that matters: a general amiability and unsurprising consistency. Make us as all as anonymous and friendly as toys.
What do it mean, the amphiboly of his phrasings; his Orphic obfuscations and crypticisms? We will convene a college of invested celibates to decipher his sense, and vouchsafe it to an expensive institution awaiting his Return. He will choose a time and squeeze it into the calendar. Tuesdays are bad; posthumous appointments are available.
His car comes in available bucket seats; it doesn’t have them, you understand. They are available.
When he said Mad Cow, did he also mean Mad She’ep? How is the cow mad—is she angered, is she demented? Will Satan wrestle Titor at last, and debunk him upon the barren steppes? How many DeLoreans or pickups can dance upon a space “the size of an electron?”
Secret signs passed between the elect: By these signs shall ye know me. Many will come claiming to be me; with the ears to hear, you will discern the false prophets. I come as a thief in the night, again, and pity on those with child in them days. The mountains may harbor you—or Florida—or Omaha. Flee the cities: not one stone will remain atop another. The skies and earth will be rent asunder; many atoms will be split. Pity them without a first-aid kit in them days.
Better off if half of you d’ead?
No. But is JTT’r d’ead, or unborn yet in his literate self; living only as a brat prodigy, blighted by the advent of his mature avatar? He chokes upon his words before he has had a chance to suffer their experiences, their histories, their context. The hero god’s image is plastered on the ceiling in his two chief forms, coexistent according to the mystery of the passion—infant and sacrificial rabbit. I mean, rabbi.
The three-year ministry has ended; now the deification.
Lives with his parents under the same roof, toddler and adult living with the other paradoxes—virgin mother, mute cuckold, grandfather of himself. Faithful woman, selected for his special, secret message, patiently waits in the alley. A leper is lowered through the grass roof. Mendicants pore over the text.
“Religion and patriotism were bound together in a thousand impressive rites;… every law, every meeting of the assembly or the c’ourts, every major enterprise of the army or the govern’ment, every school and university, every economic or political association, was surrounded with religious ceremony and invocation.”
in ancient Greece (Durant). JTT’r spoke of a renewed Christianity in the wake of the global holocaust. Half the race is sacrificed, its flesh seared and offered to heaven, for the sake of the blessed survivors, none of whom are any longer interested in money.
His revolution is the sacred combat against the evil of imperial tyranny. A remote military power blocks home rule. We struggle against the Famine and the Crown. The centurions are posted in our violated livingrooms; the local authority, whose hands are tied, washes them nonetheless.
I give you the up & coming cult of the 21st Century; 21-23. Soon to be a major religion coming to a celebritybin near you.
//Imprim'r
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hackimer, rob Posted: Jun 8 2004, 10:37 PM
Doesn't let others speak for him.
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He channels the great one! The future Se'er. The future pastdriver.
Bow before the light emitted!
Bow before the gracious countenance!
He doeth walk again among us! HEED!
Hiding in front of his own words. (peragrous of their true intent)
Bring down the power of his prophecy.
Satan may settle the scourge.
I genuflect.
He feels his home, but even Gods misconstrue.
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Paul Posted: Jun 9 2004, 12:26 AM
Impeach All Three Branches
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All rise.
Half sit.
You put your left foot in.
(Repeat
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CaryP Posted: Jun 9 2004, 10:08 AM
What the hell's going on!!??
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QUOTE
He channels the great one! The future Se'er. The future pastdriver.
Bow before the light emitted!
Bow before the gracious countenance!
He doeth walk again among us! HEED!
Hiding in front of his own words. (peragrous of their true intent)
Bring down the power of his prophecy.
Satan may settle the scourge.
I genuflect.
He feels his home, but even Gods misconstrue.
Yeah! whatever Hack said! (Where did all this eloquence come from? I mean, I'm impressed and everything, but it's very "different.") *takes hat off and bows before the multi-talented Paul* Rock on brother.
Cary
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August Posted: Jun 9 2004, 06:33 PM
Not paranoid, just unpopular.
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Paul,
I have a great amount of respect for you. But while all our friends are lighting the pyres in your praise, I must take issue with your Titor label.
My reading list is starved for this information. So Tampa, Cornelia, Cary, Hack and others please add or subtract from the following statements as you see fit. In my understanding,
A Cult Leader
1) Positions self above the followers: "Among them but not of them"
Check this one for the Titor event. He did fulfill this requirement.
2) Gains immediately and directly from his interaction with the flock of s/heep: S/ex, Power, Money, Control
Not this one--debunkers tell us that after waiting two years, the hoaxer(s) decided to make money. Look up your notes from American Enterprise 101.
3) Promises the absence of pain in exchange for faith and sacrifice.
The Titor event promises pain and sacrifice in exchange for critical thinking.
4) Separates the flock from those who would challenge the flock.
The Titor event took place in a wolf den. Have you read MadIce's reconstruction of the event's thread? Wolves. And to this day the "s/heep" are still only 75% accepting. And the event left us all in the same forums arguing amongst ourselves: the flock has actually befriended, in some cases, the challengers. Yes I do still think of TampaUSA as a friend of sorts.
So as for a 21st Century cult--I give the Titor event a C+
And now let me really p/iss you all off. Paul, I know you are man enough to take the criticism.
I threw out my television in 1995. A man will read nearly anything after such a dark event as that. I was fortunately surrounded by good friends and good books.
When you read for a decade in a television culture, you get a very strange sense of things. It is a "stranger in a strange land" kind of thing. You constantly encounter the "Tarantino Ruler", that is, someone calls Pulp Fiction one of the greatest movies ever when the oldest film they've seen is D/ie Hard.
Before you all make Paul quit his day job, I want you all to do one of the most painful but rewarding things you have ever done in your life. I want you to avoid the internet and television for one month and read the following poem and novels.
"Song of Myself", Whitman (get the first version, 1855 I think)
Tropic of Cancer, Miller
The Dharma Bums, Kerouac
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Thompson
Ada, Nabokov
Finnegan’s Wake, Joyce
Then return to this thread and reread Paul's Prose Poem. You will then rise from the computer and take your places as the champion monastic keepers of culture you are destined to be!!! *cue sinister laugh*
And to you Sir, I say too much Hunter Thompson and not enough Absolute.
/August suddenly reveals protective armor in the face of Tampa's fiercely drawn Glock. Let’s hope he doesn’t aim for the head.
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CaryP Posted: Jun 9 2004, 09:25 PM
What the hell's going on!!??
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August,
I don't have anything to add or subtract from your analysis, which I found to be pretty good. What I'm impressed by is that you threw out your TV in 1995. I'm too much of an addict to a few shows (Sopranos, The Shield and financial news networks) and good movies to attempt the withdrawal pains now. I appreciate your posts. You show good intellect and perspective, probably because you aren't a slave to pop culture coming in from the b-oob tube. (Damn, there's a lot of words that are verbotten here.) We were just having some fun with Paul's posts. I mean the man is talented and funny. The whole JT thing has become a religion of sorts for some of the faithful. Was he a TT? I have serious doubts, but anything is possible. How would I know anyway? Did his postings seem like doom and gloom hype at the time he posted it? Verifyably yes. Does it seem so weird and outlandish now? Hell no. I'm not sure what the point of my current mini-rant here is, except to say good post - keep 'em coming.
Cary
P.S. I will add your recommended reading list into my summer reading. Thanks.
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Cornelia Posted: Jun 9 2004, 09:41 PM
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Do you want ME to avoid the Internet for one month? blink.gif
You must be joking. crazy.gif
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August Posted: Jun 9 2004, 09:47 PM
Not paranoid, just unpopular.
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Cary,
I am being mostly playful as well. I still think the protective armor is necessary once Paul and Tampa show up. smile.gif
I must tell you, my friend, getting rid of that thing created an amazing experience.
I have never seen an episode of Survivor or the Sopranos. All I have seen is my compatriot's responses to the episodes on the following day. Their discussions are amazing and baffling. It transforms my role into "part-Anthropologist". Very strange. And I think TV has changed a lot since 1995.
Another similar experience I have had is playing old LPs. I have quite a collection. I also have about 300 CDs but the music is a compeletly different experience. When we used to play records, it was a social event. You talked with your friends as you were putting on a new record. And then you listened differently--with more intensity. For the needle moves quickly and gives the music an ephemeral quality. CDs are corporate-inspired elevator music vehicles. Background music. When was the last time you said to a friend, do you want to come over and play some CDs? The music is too easy or something. I have not sorted out all my thoughts on this.
None of my friends have taken me up on the advice I give them regarding the TV and I understand. TV is a valuable tool. But it is like a circular saw; as soon as you lose respect for it, it bites you.
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August Posted: Jun 9 2004, 09:52 PM
Not paranoid, just unpopular.
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Cornelia,
Europeans are the best-read people on the planet. happy.gif You are keepers of culture by default. You are welcome to my books, however. wink.gif But I think you are already a good judge of culture.
Carry on!
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john_smuda Posted: Jun 9 2004, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE (August @ Jun 9 2004, 10:33 AM)
A Cult Leader
1) Positions self above the followers: "Among them but not of them"
Check this one for the Titor event. He did fulfill this requirement.
2) Gains immediately and directly from his interaction with the flock of s/heep: S/ex, Power, Money, Control
Not this one--debunkers tell us that after waiting two years, the hoaxer(s) decided to make money. Look up your notes from American Enterprise 101.
3) Promises the absence of pain in exchange for faith and sacrifice.
The Titor event promises pain and sacrifice in exchange for critical thinking.
4) Separates the flock from those who would challenge the flock.
Titor may not fit the definition of a cult leader, but someone who claims to be following in his foot steps could tailor himself to be one based on the posts of John Titor. In this way JT could give rise to a cult.
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