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<blockquote data-quote="CaryP" data-source="post: 17237" data-attributes="member: 34"><p><strong>Re: Torture Condoned by the US Govt.</strong></p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div></p><p></p><p>Entirely possible Phil. But I've been reading stuff since the Fallujah offensive happened from many different sources. Some way on the wild side to some on the conservative side. The middle points to some "banned" chemical weapons being used by the U.S. military. I know it's not easy, pleasant, whatever thinking our boys (gals for you feminists) would use some outlawed chemicals to fight a war. But I've seen videos from Iraq with Capts. stoking the troops up with "it's the good fight" and the "evil enemy" and crap like that to get the blood lust going. Not saying it is wrong, just saying it could be misused/abused. Have you seen the number/percentage of the combat troops coming back from this hell hole that wind up being psychotic and homeless? Something "real bad" is going down over there, and no, not everyone is seeing it first hand. But how many of the SS saw Hitler's death camps on a percentage basis? </p><p></p><p>Phil, I'm not knocking our men/women in uniform. Hell, I have the utmost respect for them, and wish them the very best. That IMO is a quick and safe return state side, even if it means counting cow chips at Ft. Polk a couple of hundred miles from here. What I'm knocking is the PNAC agenda for ongoing global war at any price. Who do you think would give an order to use banned chemical weapons? Some grunt in the field? uh, no way. That kind of crap comes from way high on top. White House, to Defense Dept. to Pentagon, to military brass, to field commanders, to grunts in the field. That's all I'm saying. You think some 18 to 19 yr. old kid is gonna tell his 30 yr. old Sgt. to "kiss my ass" cause the order is criminal? Hell, they're trying to get past popping their pimples. They have no way of knowing the weight of what they're up to. They might not even know what exactly they are doing. "Fire these rounds." "Sir, yes sir." Nobody said the rounds contained banned chemicals. Put your gas mask on because the "insurgents" may be using chemicals. The hell I know. </p><p></p><p>Anyway, Phil, I like you. You bring a perspective here that few of "us" have, if any. I appreciate you offering your perspective, especially when it juxtaposes mine. Makes me think. I think in the big picture of events, we're on the same page. It's the damned details that has us question one another. That's a good thing. Thanks for playing straight. I'll shut up for now. Time for a cigar run and home. See you around the plantation pal.</p><p></p><p>Cary</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CaryP, post: 17237, member: 34"] [b]Re: Torture Condoned by the US Govt.[/b] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div> Entirely possible Phil. But I've been reading stuff since the Fallujah offensive happened from many different sources. Some way on the wild side to some on the conservative side. The middle points to some "banned" chemical weapons being used by the U.S. military. I know it's not easy, pleasant, whatever thinking our boys (gals for you feminists) would use some outlawed chemicals to fight a war. But I've seen videos from Iraq with Capts. stoking the troops up with "it's the good fight" and the "evil enemy" and crap like that to get the blood lust going. Not saying it is wrong, just saying it could be misused/abused. Have you seen the number/percentage of the combat troops coming back from this hell hole that wind up being psychotic and homeless? Something "real bad" is going down over there, and no, not everyone is seeing it first hand. But how many of the SS saw Hitler's death camps on a percentage basis? Phil, I'm not knocking our men/women in uniform. Hell, I have the utmost respect for them, and wish them the very best. That IMO is a quick and safe return state side, even if it means counting cow chips at Ft. Polk a couple of hundred miles from here. What I'm knocking is the PNAC agenda for ongoing global war at any price. Who do you think would give an order to use banned chemical weapons? Some grunt in the field? uh, no way. That kind of crap comes from way high on top. White House, to Defense Dept. to Pentagon, to military brass, to field commanders, to grunts in the field. That's all I'm saying. You think some 18 to 19 yr. old kid is gonna tell his 30 yr. old Sgt. to "kiss my ass" cause the order is criminal? Hell, they're trying to get past popping their pimples. They have no way of knowing the weight of what they're up to. They might not even know what exactly they are doing. "Fire these rounds." "Sir, yes sir." Nobody said the rounds contained banned chemicals. Put your gas mask on because the "insurgents" may be using chemicals. The hell I know. Anyway, Phil, I like you. You bring a perspective here that few of "us" have, if any. I appreciate you offering your perspective, especially when it juxtaposes mine. Makes me think. I think in the big picture of events, we're on the same page. It's the damned details that has us question one another. That's a good thing. Thanks for playing straight. I'll shut up for now. Time for a cigar run and home. See you around the plantation pal. Cary [/QUOTE]
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