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<blockquote data-quote="CaryP" data-source="post: 18221" data-attributes="member: 34"><p><strong>Torture Condoned by the US Govt.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not so naive as to believe that this was the first time that torture has been used in a prisoner camp, StarLord. The fact that it was "pre-meditated" by the current gang in the White House is what bothers the bejezus out of me. I can see how some soldiers in the field would go over the edge under severe stress and the loss of buddies. This is different. This was a policy of torture in a systemic fashion at several locations. This was not a case of "a few bad apples" spoiling the whole barrel. A general from Gitmo went over to Abu Ghraib to "Guantonamize" the place. That's from the top down, not some low IQ gorillas getting overly zealous. Did you read the quotes I put up? Just because other countries and/or groups have committed war crimes and atrocities in the treatment of prisoners doesn't mean we have to follow suit. Shame on the current administration for fostering this kind of enviroment. Shame on the American people for not riding these bozos out on a rail. There'll be hell to pay for this at some point. Saying, "but the other guys did it" will be no excuse. I hope heads roll from the top down. (No, that is NOT a death wish/threat against anyone in the current administration.) Think Nueremberg - didn't work for the Nazis much did it?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sosue, that's for you. No, these weren't "candy thieves" they just voiced their displeasure with the U.S. occupation. They didn't even qualify as "candy thieves" but that ain't what you're gonna hear on Fox News. This is according to <strong>military intelligence</strong> estimates. You don't believe in the Geneva conventions, that's your opinion. I sure hope neither of your kids gets drafted and finds themselves prisoners of war and their captors share your beliefs. You'll be eating those words knowing that either or both of your kids are going through what these peopel were put through. There's a reason that things like the Geneva Convention even came up, and has been agreed upon by the world at large. It has been because of the cruelty and inhumanity practised in the hell that war must be. Cruelty/torture is not justified for any reason. Yeah, we're fighting some bad guys. Recent reports from the military brass in Iraq says that the insurgents have grown to about 200,000. Not all of them are full time, but a minority of our troops are full combat. Most of our troops are there in support of the combat units. So now we've stirred up the hornets nest, and managed to ###### enough people locally off to the extent that they outnumber our troops. I've read articles on reports from the CIA and the Pentagon that say Iraq is not win-able. Hello, Viet Nam II. Keep watching Fox and listening to Rush. You'll feel better, but that won't make the real world in the "happy talk" they spout about the glory of the American "liberation of the poor Iraqi people."</p><p></p><p>Dado, good sight. Thanks pal.</p><p></p><p>Paul, or we the only sane or insane people on this issue? Or is it just me that's insane? I'm no bed-wetting, left wing, pinko, communist, Democrat, socialist, radical. I've been politically conservative all of my life. But this ain't conservative politics. This is the beginnings of a facist state IMO. Way past the conservative end for my tastes. Maybe I'm just the dumbass, but this whole thing has tilted toward the surreal. Somebody shoot me before reality sets in.</p><p></p><p>Cary</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CaryP, post: 18221, member: 34"] [b]Torture Condoned by the US Govt.[/b] I'm not so naive as to believe that this was the first time that torture has been used in a prisoner camp, StarLord. The fact that it was "pre-meditated" by the current gang in the White House is what bothers the bejezus out of me. I can see how some soldiers in the field would go over the edge under severe stress and the loss of buddies. This is different. This was a policy of torture in a systemic fashion at several locations. This was not a case of "a few bad apples" spoiling the whole barrel. A general from Gitmo went over to Abu Ghraib to "Guantonamize" the place. That's from the top down, not some low IQ gorillas getting overly zealous. Did you read the quotes I put up? Just because other countries and/or groups have committed war crimes and atrocities in the treatment of prisoners doesn't mean we have to follow suit. Shame on the current administration for fostering this kind of enviroment. Shame on the American people for not riding these bozos out on a rail. There'll be hell to pay for this at some point. Saying, "but the other guys did it" will be no excuse. I hope heads roll from the top down. (No, that is NOT a death wish/threat against anyone in the current administration.) Think Nueremberg - didn't work for the Nazis much did it? Sosue, that's for you. No, these weren't "candy thieves" they just voiced their displeasure with the U.S. occupation. They didn't even qualify as "candy thieves" but that ain't what you're gonna hear on Fox News. This is according to [b]military intelligence[/b] estimates. You don't believe in the Geneva conventions, that's your opinion. I sure hope neither of your kids gets drafted and finds themselves prisoners of war and their captors share your beliefs. You'll be eating those words knowing that either or both of your kids are going through what these peopel were put through. There's a reason that things like the Geneva Convention even came up, and has been agreed upon by the world at large. It has been because of the cruelty and inhumanity practised in the hell that war must be. Cruelty/torture is not justified for any reason. Yeah, we're fighting some bad guys. Recent reports from the military brass in Iraq says that the insurgents have grown to about 200,000. Not all of them are full time, but a minority of our troops are full combat. Most of our troops are there in support of the combat units. So now we've stirred up the hornets nest, and managed to ###### enough people locally off to the extent that they outnumber our troops. I've read articles on reports from the CIA and the Pentagon that say Iraq is not win-able. Hello, Viet Nam II. Keep watching Fox and listening to Rush. You'll feel better, but that won't make the real world in the "happy talk" they spout about the glory of the American "liberation of the poor Iraqi people." Dado, good sight. Thanks pal. Paul, or we the only sane or insane people on this issue? Or is it just me that's insane? I'm no bed-wetting, left wing, pinko, communist, Democrat, socialist, radical. I've been politically conservative all of my life. But this ain't conservative politics. This is the beginnings of a facist state IMO. Way past the conservative end for my tastes. Maybe I'm just the dumbass, but this whole thing has tilted toward the surreal. Somebody shoot me before reality sets in. Cary [/QUOTE]
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