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<blockquote data-quote="CaryP" data-source="post: 18230" data-attributes="member: 34"><p><strong>Torture Condoned by the US Govt.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe it's the demonization of Muslims that was part of the torture authorization.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Outside of Sosue's diminishment of the importance of the Geneva Conventions, I didn't see anyone condoning torture. I'm not disagreeing with you on your other points, but that ain't the point I was making. The point I was making is that I find it criminal for the administration to have authorized it, and that the man behind the orchestration of the whole thing is in all probability will be confirmed as Atty. General. We are the United States. Our history says we are supposed to be above torture as a matter of policy. We've apparently failed our ancestors in that matter.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because we hold ourselves as better than that, as does most of the rest of the "civilisied" world, in answer to your first question. No, we haven't beheaded anyone that I've heard about, nor sent out videos, but we got lots of pictures taken by the troops who thought it would be a hoot to show the folks back home how prisoners were being mistreated. The really bad stuff, according to quotes I've read attributed to Rumsfeld, has been kept under lock and key. It's humiliating and embarassing. We don't have some "holy war" that says we should do this kind of cruelty. We have laws against it. I don't care how depraved these people are, we're supposed to be above all of that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you have the time, I'd suggest you read some of what's available at this site.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_torture_scandal.html" target="_blank">TORTURE SCANDAL Archives</a></p><p></p><p>The first article at the top of the page claims that our "war time president" signed the orders authorizing torture. Of course, they're backpeddaling like crawfish in a trap now, after the evidence of the scandal has broken.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe the ones who benefit are those that can sleep with a less heavy conscience for outing this whole thing. Maybe they were disgusted with the whole affair, and had a similar reaction to it, as I did. This can't be freakin' happening, and people need to know about it. As for W getting dragged out of office, LOL. Ain't gonna happen. The information is anything but questionable. But no one really seems to give a rat's ass.</p><p></p><p>I hope I've maybe cleared up whatever confusion that may have been caused by my initial and subsequent posts. It doesn't matter who invented torture, or who did it first. That the current administration and a host of its top members orchestrated and authorized the use of torture in a systemic and profound way is criminal IMO. Most of the people around here that I've talked to, are glad the U.S. has used torture. They feel some retribution for 9/11, even though those subjected to the treatment had nothing to do with it. Okay, who knows, there might have been one or more of those tortured that had pre-knowledge or were even in on the whole 9/11 attack. Let's just make that a given, so I won't have to hear about that as an "excuse" Torture is still not justified or legal even in that circumstance. You start making torture "okay" for some, pretty soon, it's "okay" for more, and eventually becomes "okay" in any instance. I ain't playing that.</p><p></p><p>Cary</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CaryP, post: 18230, member: 34"] [b]Torture Condoned by the US Govt.[/b] Maybe it's the demonization of Muslims that was part of the torture authorization. Outside of Sosue's diminishment of the importance of the Geneva Conventions, I didn't see anyone condoning torture. I'm not disagreeing with you on your other points, but that ain't the point I was making. The point I was making is that I find it criminal for the administration to have authorized it, and that the man behind the orchestration of the whole thing is in all probability will be confirmed as Atty. General. We are the United States. Our history says we are supposed to be above torture as a matter of policy. We've apparently failed our ancestors in that matter. Because we hold ourselves as better than that, as does most of the rest of the "civilisied" world, in answer to your first question. No, we haven't beheaded anyone that I've heard about, nor sent out videos, but we got lots of pictures taken by the troops who thought it would be a hoot to show the folks back home how prisoners were being mistreated. The really bad stuff, according to quotes I've read attributed to Rumsfeld, has been kept under lock and key. It's humiliating and embarassing. We don't have some "holy war" that says we should do this kind of cruelty. We have laws against it. I don't care how depraved these people are, we're supposed to be above all of that. If you have the time, I'd suggest you read some of what's available at this site. [url=http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_torture_scandal.html]TORTURE SCANDAL Archives[/url] The first article at the top of the page claims that our "war time president" signed the orders authorizing torture. Of course, they're backpeddaling like crawfish in a trap now, after the evidence of the scandal has broken. Maybe the ones who benefit are those that can sleep with a less heavy conscience for outing this whole thing. Maybe they were disgusted with the whole affair, and had a similar reaction to it, as I did. This can't be freakin' happening, and people need to know about it. As for W getting dragged out of office, LOL. Ain't gonna happen. The information is anything but questionable. But no one really seems to give a rat's ass. I hope I've maybe cleared up whatever confusion that may have been caused by my initial and subsequent posts. It doesn't matter who invented torture, or who did it first. That the current administration and a host of its top members orchestrated and authorized the use of torture in a systemic and profound way is criminal IMO. Most of the people around here that I've talked to, are glad the U.S. has used torture. They feel some retribution for 9/11, even though those subjected to the treatment had nothing to do with it. Okay, who knows, there might have been one or more of those tortured that had pre-knowledge or were even in on the whole 9/11 attack. Let's just make that a given, so I won't have to hear about that as an "excuse" Torture is still not justified or legal even in that circumstance. You start making torture "okay" for some, pretty soon, it's "okay" for more, and eventually becomes "okay" in any instance. I ain't playing that. Cary [/QUOTE]
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