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<blockquote data-quote="K@t 5" data-source="post: 18248" data-attributes="member: 344"><p><strong>Re: Torture Condoned by the US Govt.</strong></p><p></p><p>Cary, this is one that I whole-heartedly agree with you on. As children (and parents) we constantly heard the quote, ?Two wrongs do not make a right?. I think in this instance this is very needed.</p><p></p><p> Whether you like it or not, we as Americans have placed ourselves on a pedestal, trying to prove to the world that we are morally above this type of behavior. Through the past we have made mistakes, yes, but this particular scandal is one our darkest acts yet. </p><p></p><p> In the event that anyone has forgotten, maybe we need to review the first two crusades that were waged upon these people. Each time, they ended in failure at a great expense to the common people. Never before have they given up ? what makes you believe they will this time? Throughout time, we have been mortal enemies. They believe we are infidels, we believe they are heathens. Each side is convinced of their opinion. Without a change in thought and attitude, on both sides, there can be no resolution. With each war that is waged upon these people, it becomes more and more apparent that there will not be. </p><p></p><p> </p><p>This is the one spot where I disagree with you. There is something that comes into play here that a lot of people have ignored, and quite frankly, I?m rather surprised that they have. In times of war, any lawful order that is deliberately disobeyed, can and most likely will, be seen as an act of treason. Treason is punishable by death. The commanding officer can choose to have the soldier executed on the spot. There is a reason why officers carry pistols as opposed to rifles. This means do not pass go, do not collect $200. There is no trial; the person accused does not get a chance to plead their case. The line between lawful and unlawful is also very vague. As soldiers, you are told at the very start that it is not in your best interest to disobey an order during wartime.</p><p></p><p> Is this happening there? Who knows? However, if you are a common soldier and know that you are expendable, the first thing running thru your head is ?if I don?t do this, no one will know the truth as to my actions.? If you are going to be staring down the muzzle of a gun, chances are self-preservation will kick in.</p><p></p><p> What I <em>do</em> know, and this is from personal experience, is that the military will do <u>whatever it takes</u> to protect the elite from humiliation or exposure to their crimes. They will sacrifice the little guys with no thought or twinge of guilt. </p><p></p><p> One other thing I would like to present to all those who are gung-ho about the torture issue; what happens when these people come home (those who have not been punished and who happened to have had a major role in the torture that has taken place)? What happens to these people when they have to be reintroduced into society? Once you travel down that path, it is near impossible to turn back. How many more violent crimes will we see? How many suicides? When the heat of the battle dies down, you either have to face yourself or kill the guilt. The first time someone commits a crime, such as rape, it?s usually accidental and the fear issue kicks in. Each time after that, it not only becomes easier, it becomes necessary ? like a drug. After a while, the act of rape isn?t enough and beatings and death are added to the crime to keep the high. Just remember this, if and when your daughters or wives or sisters or mothers cross the path of one of these men.</p><p></p><p> I?m not attacking anyone, just as Cary wasn?t. However, like him, I want you to understand what it is that you are condoning.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="K@t 5, post: 18248, member: 344"] [b]Re: Torture Condoned by the US Govt.[/b] Cary, this is one that I whole-heartedly agree with you on. As children (and parents) we constantly heard the quote, ?Two wrongs do not make a right?. I think in this instance this is very needed. Whether you like it or not, we as Americans have placed ourselves on a pedestal, trying to prove to the world that we are morally above this type of behavior. Through the past we have made mistakes, yes, but this particular scandal is one our darkest acts yet. In the event that anyone has forgotten, maybe we need to review the first two crusades that were waged upon these people. Each time, they ended in failure at a great expense to the common people. Never before have they given up ? what makes you believe they will this time? Throughout time, we have been mortal enemies. They believe we are infidels, we believe they are heathens. Each side is convinced of their opinion. Without a change in thought and attitude, on both sides, there can be no resolution. With each war that is waged upon these people, it becomes more and more apparent that there will not be. This is the one spot where I disagree with you. There is something that comes into play here that a lot of people have ignored, and quite frankly, I?m rather surprised that they have. In times of war, any lawful order that is deliberately disobeyed, can and most likely will, be seen as an act of treason. Treason is punishable by death. The commanding officer can choose to have the soldier executed on the spot. There is a reason why officers carry pistols as opposed to rifles. This means do not pass go, do not collect $200. There is no trial; the person accused does not get a chance to plead their case. The line between lawful and unlawful is also very vague. As soldiers, you are told at the very start that it is not in your best interest to disobey an order during wartime. Is this happening there? Who knows? However, if you are a common soldier and know that you are expendable, the first thing running thru your head is ?if I don?t do this, no one will know the truth as to my actions.? If you are going to be staring down the muzzle of a gun, chances are self-preservation will kick in. What I [i]do[/i] know, and this is from personal experience, is that the military will do [u]whatever it takes[/u] to protect the elite from humiliation or exposure to their crimes. They will sacrifice the little guys with no thought or twinge of guilt. One other thing I would like to present to all those who are gung-ho about the torture issue; what happens when these people come home (those who have not been punished and who happened to have had a major role in the torture that has taken place)? What happens to these people when they have to be reintroduced into society? Once you travel down that path, it is near impossible to turn back. How many more violent crimes will we see? How many suicides? When the heat of the battle dies down, you either have to face yourself or kill the guilt. The first time someone commits a crime, such as rape, it?s usually accidental and the fear issue kicks in. Each time after that, it not only becomes easier, it becomes necessary ? like a drug. After a while, the act of rape isn?t enough and beatings and death are added to the crime to keep the high. Just remember this, if and when your daughters or wives or sisters or mothers cross the path of one of these men. I?m not attacking anyone, just as Cary wasn?t. However, like him, I want you to understand what it is that you are condoning. [/QUOTE]
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