US hit by new spying row amid anger in France and Mexico

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US hit by new spying row amid anger in France and Mexico

By Marianne Barriaux, Michael Mainville2 hours ago


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Paris (AFP) - The United States has become embroiled in a new row over its controversial spying programme as allies France and Mexico condemned revelations Washington tapped millions of phonecalls and hacked into leaders' emails.

French President Francois Hollande on Monday expressed his "deep disapproval" of reports of US spying in a phone call with President Barack Obama.

France's Le Monde newspaper reported that the US National Security Agency had secretly monitored 70.3 million phone communications in France over 30 days from December 10, 2012, to January 8 this year.

The allegations, the latest from leaks by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, also marred a visit to Paris by US Secretary of State John Kerry, where he discussed moves to try to end the war in Syria.

At the same time, German weekly Der Spiegel reported the NSA had also hacked into former Mexican president Felipe Calderon's email account.

Calderon, on Twitter, described the revelations as an "affront to the institutions of the country, given that it took place when I was president".

Hollande told Obama that the alleged practices were "unacceptable between friends and allies because they infringe on the privacy of French citizens," the French leader's office said in a statement.

The allegations come on top of previous revelations by Snowden -- who has sought safety in Russia as US authorities pursue him for leaking classified information -- that the United States had a vast, secret programme called PRISM to monitor Internet users.

French prosecutors are already investigating the programme, and French Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said he was "deeply shocked" by the new revelations.

"It's incredible that an allied country like the United States at this point goes as far as spying on private communications that have no strategic justification, no justification on the basis of national defence," he told journalists.

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, on a visit to Luxembourg, said US ambassador Charles Rivkin was summoned to his ministry early Monday.

"These kinds of practices between partners that harm privacy are totally unacceptable," he told reporters, adding France needed assurances that the United States was no longer monitoring its communications.

His comments were relayed to the US ambassador during the meeting, a ministry spokesman said -- the second time in less than four months that America's top representative in France has been hauled in over revelations about US snooping.

Kerry refused to comment on the specific accusations, but noted that Washington was reviewing its intelligence gathering operations following protests from allied governments.

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He also sought to defend the US position.

"Protecting the security of our citizens in today's world is a very complicated, very challenging task... because there are lots of people out there seeking to do harm to other people," Kerry said at a press conference after meeting Arab League officials.

"Lots of countries are engaged in the activity of trying to protect their citizens in the world," he said. "Our goal is always to try to find the right balance between protecting the privacy and security of our citizens."

According to Le Monde, the spy agency automatically picked up communications from certain phone numbers in France and recorded certain text messages under a programme code-named "US-985D".

The French daily said the documents gave grounds to believe that the NSA targeted not only people suspected of being involved in terrorism but also high-profile individuals in business and politics.

Hollande's office said the French president and Obama had agreed "to work together to determine the facts and the exact scope of surveillance activities" revealed by Le Monde.

Der Spiegel also revealed that US agents had hacked into the Mexican presidency's network, gaining access to Calderon's account.

According to the report, the NSA said this contained "diplomatic, economic and leadership communications which continue to provide insight into Mexico's political system and internal stability".

The agency reportedly said the president's office was now "a lucrative source".

Mexican authorities said they would be seeking answers from US officials "as soon as possible".

"This practice is unacceptable, illegitimate and contrary to Mexican law and international law," the foreign ministry said.

This is not the first time there have been reports that France and Mexico have been targeted in relation to NSA spying allegations since information leaked by Snowden first emerged in June.

Mexico's current President Enrique Pena Nieto has already complained to Obama over reports US spies have gone through his emails.

And Der Spiegel reported last month that in 2010 the NSA monitored the internal computer network of France's diplomats and that of the foreign ministry.

But France itself has also been accused of spying. Le Monde reported in recent months that intelligence services intercepted all communications in the country, stocking telephone and computer data for years -- accusations denied by the government.

Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff has also postponed a planned visit to Washington in protest at NSA spying on her official communications.
 

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I was out with a friend last night and we were talking about this spying on other countries. I'm honestly disgusted that my own country has done this. And I applaud those in other countries who are pissed off, you should be. Our government is just... rouge. They don't care who's toes they step on. They spy on other countries, under the claim that its about searching for terrorists, which is fine, but they do it so secretly and they phone tap world leader's and hack into their email accounts... it makes you wonder what the real agenda of our government is. I can understand looking for terrorists, those who are a threat to our country and other countries, by why spy on France's president? Or the queen of GB? The last time Britain was a threat to us was in 1812.

Its not terrorism, this government is doing something bad and they are now getting ousted for it. The cat is out of the bag and its going to get worse from here.

If you are so concerned about someone harming you, you must be doing something wrong. And its obvious this government is. And what it is? That will come out. In time.

And if you want me to go further, I wouldn't be surprised if the US gets kicked out of NATO and gets sanctions thrown on us. Germany, France, Great Britain, India, Russia. They all should be concerned about the United States. And they have the right to be upset, and Obama needs to get his head out of his ass and realize that he is... breaking treaties. He is violating international laws. And he will lead this country into a WW3, with the entire world against us.

Yet he scratches his butt and wonders why everyone is mad at us... well herp derp, you're spying on people.
 

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I was out with a friend last night and we were talking about this spying on other countries. I'm honestly disgusted that my own country has done this. And I applaud those in other countries who are pissed off, you should be. Our government is just... rouge. They don't care who's toes they step on. They spy on other countries, under the claim that its about searching for terrorists, which is fine, but they do it so secretly and they phone tap world leader's and hack into their email accounts... it makes you wonder what the real agenda of our government is. I can understand looking for terrorists, those who are a threat to our country and other countries, by why spy on France's president? Or the queen of GB? The last time Britain was a threat to us was in 1812.

Its not terrorism, this government is doing something bad and they are now getting ousted for it. The cat is out of the bag and its going to get worse from here.

If you are so concerned about someone harming you, you must be doing something wrong. And its obvious this government is. And what it is? That will come out. In time.

This is all true. But what gets me is that the American people should be just as outraged over being spied on themselves. The government spies on the people, because they (gov't) are corrupt doing everything illegal, and they don't want people to find out about it or talk to others about it. We are living in Nazi America. Nazis took over while the people slept. If there isn't a Revolution soon, we are in big trouble.
 

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Of course we should be outraged. It proves our government is nothing but a bunch of two faced liars. They're so full of shit, even healthcare.gov seems a little brown around the edges lately.

I've been talking with friends about politics lately, all this healthcare shit going on. Frankly speaking, I'm at risk of losing my health insurance as well. My father lost his health insurance through his employer, even though technically the law makes employers exempt, he still lost it. Now he has no health insurance. And the guy has COPD. That just makes it worse.

And then this spying crap on other countries. Good lord. Are you really worried about our allies plotting against us? What threat does some dinosaur in GB have to us, who has been in power over there for the last 65 million years?

I have an offer to Great Britain: You're welcome to take us back any time you want.
 

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