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Was Jesus born with Original Sin?
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<blockquote data-quote="alpha centauri" data-source="post: 189124" data-attributes="member: 8464"><p>These concepts are inseperable. Both exist. By the way. the people in the Old Testament live shorter and shorter lives. That is not because Judaism preaches only the Rise of man. That is an indication of negative or lack of positive karma. So they fall.</p><p></p><p>There is also not something as a single Jewish and Christian believe. Some Christian fulfill the Old Testament laws, some dont. Some fullfill parts of it. Some Christians see Jesus as God, some dont. </p><p></p><p>To the virtue concept:</p><p>Even the Catholic church has the concept of the seven virtues, so they dont have an opposite concept. You always have both concept. Otherwise you would not have the positive and the negative or good and evil. Than, You would only have the positive or only have the negative. Than the virtues would not exist, because everybody would be virtuous. You need the contrast.</p><p></p><p>The concept of the cursing by God is the opposite concept of the blessing by God. God flooded the whole earth and also killed the people in Sodom and Gomorrah in the Torah and that was because they sinned . It was not done, because others were more virtuous. It was done because they did wrong ( I question that that was God). So no you are wrong that the Judaism is only a virtue concept. When you think the God, who done this, was not a Jew, than the God was virtuous at least. It is punishment of the wrongdoers. It is similar to the concept of hell in the other two abrahamitic religions.</p><p></p><p>But it contradicts the law of unconditional love and the laws of Jesus. So I doubt that that was God. Jews (and Muslims) rather than Christians believe that that cursing being was God.</p><p></p><p>Good beings bless others, bad beings curse others. But both kind of beings have to exist. Otherwise you would not have polarity.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well the whole religious books are not proven facts. That is why it is called believe and not science. Karma is partly proven through studies of meditation. It depends on what kind of karma principle, you believe in. Not every concept is proven through science.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Jesus wanted to correct that concept. You should not feel as a sinner. And a lot of Jewish people dont feel like one, because they think they are blessed by God. Only the other peoples in the world are not blessed. Jesus wanted to correct it, so that nobody sould feel as a sinner. The concept of sin is a concept the Church adapted to make money. They adapted it, because it was already in the bible (the old testament),</p><p>not, because they invented it.</p><p></p><p>Of course, you can inherit "sins" from your parents, that was shown in the Second World War. Some parents gave their anxiety symptoms to their children. But that is possible both ways. You can bless or curse. But they do it to themselves most of the time, not an outside power or outside being . If God would curse humanity, he/she/it would be some kind of negative magician. And God is positive in Christianity. The positive beings bless others and do not curse them.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Everybody can believe in it. Christian do not necessarily agree with their priest on all points of their teaching.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I dont believe in that. If you would have read my post, you would know. Everybody can reach enlightenment.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well I read your name. But I dont understand why you celebrate Judaism and condemn Christianity. Gnostic Christian normally do not believe that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="alpha centauri, post: 189124, member: 8464"] These concepts are inseperable. Both exist. By the way. the people in the Old Testament live shorter and shorter lives. That is not because Judaism preaches only the Rise of man. That is an indication of negative or lack of positive karma. So they fall. There is also not something as a single Jewish and Christian believe. Some Christian fulfill the Old Testament laws, some dont. Some fullfill parts of it. Some Christians see Jesus as God, some dont. To the virtue concept: Even the Catholic church has the concept of the seven virtues, so they dont have an opposite concept. You always have both concept. Otherwise you would not have the positive and the negative or good and evil. Than, You would only have the positive or only have the negative. Than the virtues would not exist, because everybody would be virtuous. You need the contrast. The concept of the cursing by God is the opposite concept of the blessing by God. God flooded the whole earth and also killed the people in Sodom and Gomorrah in the Torah and that was because they sinned . It was not done, because others were more virtuous. It was done because they did wrong ( I question that that was God). So no you are wrong that the Judaism is only a virtue concept. When you think the God, who done this, was not a Jew, than the God was virtuous at least. It is punishment of the wrongdoers. It is similar to the concept of hell in the other two abrahamitic religions. But it contradicts the law of unconditional love and the laws of Jesus. So I doubt that that was God. Jews (and Muslims) rather than Christians believe that that cursing being was God. Good beings bless others, bad beings curse others. But both kind of beings have to exist. Otherwise you would not have polarity. Well the whole religious books are not proven facts. That is why it is called believe and not science. Karma is partly proven through studies of meditation. It depends on what kind of karma principle, you believe in. Not every concept is proven through science. Jesus wanted to correct that concept. You should not feel as a sinner. And a lot of Jewish people dont feel like one, because they think they are blessed by God. Only the other peoples in the world are not blessed. Jesus wanted to correct it, so that nobody sould feel as a sinner. The concept of sin is a concept the Church adapted to make money. They adapted it, because it was already in the bible (the old testament), not, because they invented it. Of course, you can inherit "sins" from your parents, that was shown in the Second World War. Some parents gave their anxiety symptoms to their children. But that is possible both ways. You can bless or curse. But they do it to themselves most of the time, not an outside power or outside being . If God would curse humanity, he/she/it would be some kind of negative magician. And God is positive in Christianity. The positive beings bless others and do not curse them. Everybody can believe in it. Christian do not necessarily agree with their priest on all points of their teaching. I dont believe in that. If you would have read my post, you would know. Everybody can reach enlightenment. Well I read your name. But I dont understand why you celebrate Judaism and condemn Christianity. Gnostic Christian normally do not believe that. [/QUOTE]
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