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Was Jesus born with Original Sin?
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<blockquote data-quote="alpha centauri" data-source="post: 189198" data-attributes="member: 8464"><p>That is an internet site, that says something. That is not a proof. You have to proof it with quotes of religious books and show the difference. But you cant, because they use the same stories and same books. The Christian also have the New Testament. So you have to show that Jesus or somebody else abolished this concept of the Old Testament and made new laws. Has he done this?</p><p></p><p>Christians or Jews can rename the concept as often as they want, but it remains the same concept. Original Virtue sounds better than Original Sin. But it does not matter. You can call it original sin or original virtue or karma. It means that your ancestors bequest their fate or characteristics upon you. That is the same as karma of a group or karma of a nation.</p><p></p><p>According to the Tanach: God makes empires rise and fall and these stories are the same for Jews and Christian. So both is possible: a blessing or a curse. These concepts are inseperable.</p><p></p><p>The Babylonian Exil did not happen because of the "rise of man". They did wrong and they were punished for their wrongdoings. There are other examples in the Tanach, too. Jews know these facts.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think, it does not matter. David has murdered and he was forgiven by God. So the concept of forgiving (or blessing) is existent in Christianity. So God could have also forgiven a possible "ancestrial sin" of Jesus. But God blessed the line of Jesus, as far as I know. So there should not have been an ancestrial sin .</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="alpha centauri, post: 189198, member: 8464"] That is an internet site, that says something. That is not a proof. You have to proof it with quotes of religious books and show the difference. But you cant, because they use the same stories and same books. The Christian also have the New Testament. So you have to show that Jesus or somebody else abolished this concept of the Old Testament and made new laws. Has he done this? Christians or Jews can rename the concept as often as they want, but it remains the same concept. Original Virtue sounds better than Original Sin. But it does not matter. You can call it original sin or original virtue or karma. It means that your ancestors bequest their fate or characteristics upon you. That is the same as karma of a group or karma of a nation. According to the Tanach: God makes empires rise and fall and these stories are the same for Jews and Christian. So both is possible: a blessing or a curse. These concepts are inseperable. The Babylonian Exil did not happen because of the "rise of man". They did wrong and they were punished for their wrongdoings. There are other examples in the Tanach, too. Jews know these facts. I think, it does not matter. David has murdered and he was forgiven by God. So the concept of forgiving (or blessing) is existent in Christianity. So God could have also forgiven a possible "ancestrial sin" of Jesus. But God blessed the line of Jesus, as far as I know. So there should not have been an ancestrial sin . [/QUOTE]
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