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Was Jesus born with Original Sin?
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<blockquote data-quote="alpha centauri" data-source="post: 189483" data-attributes="member: 8464"><p>You are obviously also too old to recognisze that you are doing the same, what you blame others to do. Why should I answer your unqualified assertions, that you stupidly expect me to answer?</p><p></p><p>It doesnt make sense to claim a supernatural being, if you dont believe in it. Because no matter what, you would have been persecuted. If you believe in a supernatural being or not.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You didnt answer my argument. Why are you and not Christians allowed to say your books are non-literal ?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You shot yourself in the foot with this comment. Origen was a Christian not a Gnostic. This proves my theory not yours. He even converted a Gnostic.</p><p></p><p>"Later, Origen succeeded in converting a wealthy man named Ambrose from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentinianism" target="_blank">Valentinian Gnosticism</a> to orthodox Christianity. "</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen[/URL]</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is not a proof, that they didnt believe in the supernatural. That is a part, where Jesus was against the laws and summed them up.</p><p></p><p>If Jesus would not have believed in the supernatural, he could have said it straight out and plain. Because it could not have been worse than being persecuted and hanged. The same is true for the early Christian.</p><p></p><p>Furthermore the Greek religions were more in sync with science. So if they wanted to be more scientific, it would have been better to return to the Greek religions and philosophies (Plato, Aristoteles and Co) rather than convert to Christianity Because the Greek were superior in science compared to the Christians.</p><p></p><p>Explain it to me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="alpha centauri, post: 189483, member: 8464"] You are obviously also too old to recognisze that you are doing the same, what you blame others to do. Why should I answer your unqualified assertions, that you stupidly expect me to answer? It doesnt make sense to claim a supernatural being, if you dont believe in it. Because no matter what, you would have been persecuted. If you believe in a supernatural being or not. You didnt answer my argument. Why are you and not Christians allowed to say your books are non-literal ? You shot yourself in the foot with this comment. Origen was a Christian not a Gnostic. This proves my theory not yours. He even converted a Gnostic. "Later, Origen succeeded in converting a wealthy man named Ambrose from [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentinianism']Valentinian Gnosticism[/URL] to orthodox Christianity. " [URL unfurl="true"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen[/URL] This is not a proof, that they didnt believe in the supernatural. That is a part, where Jesus was against the laws and summed them up. If Jesus would not have believed in the supernatural, he could have said it straight out and plain. Because it could not have been worse than being persecuted and hanged. The same is true for the early Christian. Furthermore the Greek religions were more in sync with science. So if they wanted to be more scientific, it would have been better to return to the Greek religions and philosophies (Plato, Aristoteles and Co) rather than convert to Christianity Because the Greek were superior in science compared to the Christians. Explain it to me. [/QUOTE]
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