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Was Jesus born with Original Sin?
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<blockquote data-quote="Gnostic Christian" data-source="post: 193946" data-attributes="member: 11757"><p>Religion can be a fascinating topic.</p><p></p><p>If Jesus was not human as you say, then he is not a good example of how humans should act and that basically negates the notion that he died for us, and even that he can die if he is a god.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Good.</p><p></p><p>Substitutional punishment is quite a vile notion of justice, that Christians satanically embrace.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sounds like what Christians say. They usually say 100% man and 100% god, which is not mathematically correct, and a rather idiotic notion.</p><p></p><p>That breaks the law of the excluded middle.</p><p></p><p>You have already disqualified him as a sacrifice but seem to be hedging your bets now. Make up your mind my friend. Jesus is either a man or a god and cannot be both, unless, like us Gnostic Christians, you see Jesus as a man, and as us able to become exactly like him, as shown in this following.</p><p></p><p>Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.</p><p></p><p>Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.</p><p></p><p>John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.</p><p></p><p>Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.</p><p></p><p>Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]alRNbesfXXw[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Read the story again.</p><p></p><p>The last super shows Jesus choosing his best man, Judas, to turn him in and the other apostles just sitting there doing nothing to stop it.</p><p></p><p>The Trial story shows Rome washing their hands of Jesus' murder and the Jews accepting it on their heads. Why? Because Jesus wanted to suicide to test the resurrection myth and showed it to be false as he did not return to rule as the prophesy called for.</p><p></p><p>That is why Jews rejected Jesus. He did not deliver.</p><p></p><p>The immoral aspects of Christians wanting to ride their scapegoat Jesus into heaven follows in an old O.P. that Christians run from as they know I am correct and they cannot do any apologetics against my views.</p><p></p><p>I am rather prolific and tend to forget what I said to who and hope I am not duplicating anything now or later.</p><p></p><p>----------</p><p></p><p>On Jesus dying for you.</p><p></p><p>It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for you, after condemning you unjustly in the first place.</p><p></p><p>You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card.</p><p></p><p>It is a lie, first and foremost because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.</p><p></p><p>You also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.</p><p></p><p>Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.</p><p></p><p>Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.</p><p></p><p>Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:</p><p></p><p>There is no way that you would teach your children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are doing just that.</p><p></p><p>Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fibre as Yahweh.</p><p></p><p>Regards</p><p>DL</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gnostic Christian, post: 193946, member: 11757"] Religion can be a fascinating topic. If Jesus was not human as you say, then he is not a good example of how humans should act and that basically negates the notion that he died for us, and even that he can die if he is a god. Good. Substitutional punishment is quite a vile notion of justice, that Christians satanically embrace. Sounds like what Christians say. They usually say 100% man and 100% god, which is not mathematically correct, and a rather idiotic notion. That breaks the law of the excluded middle. You have already disqualified him as a sacrifice but seem to be hedging your bets now. Make up your mind my friend. Jesus is either a man or a god and cannot be both, unless, like us Gnostic Christians, you see Jesus as a man, and as us able to become exactly like him, as shown in this following. Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail. [MEDIA=youtube]alRNbesfXXw[/MEDIA] Read the story again. The last super shows Jesus choosing his best man, Judas, to turn him in and the other apostles just sitting there doing nothing to stop it. The Trial story shows Rome washing their hands of Jesus' murder and the Jews accepting it on their heads. Why? Because Jesus wanted to suicide to test the resurrection myth and showed it to be false as he did not return to rule as the prophesy called for. That is why Jews rejected Jesus. He did not deliver. The immoral aspects of Christians wanting to ride their scapegoat Jesus into heaven follows in an old O.P. that Christians run from as they know I am correct and they cannot do any apologetics against my views. I am rather prolific and tend to forget what I said to who and hope I am not duplicating anything now or later. ---------- On Jesus dying for you. It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for you, after condemning you unjustly in the first place. You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card. It is a lie, first and foremost because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral. You also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people. Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin. Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: There is no way that you would teach your children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are doing just that. Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fibre as Yahweh. Regards DL [/QUOTE]
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