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What is the bare minimum needed to be conscious?
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<blockquote data-quote="8thsinner" data-source="post: 256804" data-attributes="member: 15138"><p>Though I think your rudimentary percentage markings have some basis I think your percentages given to humans are far too generous.</p><p></p><p>The benefits of dying, or in fact dying twice in a life time will prove to you plenty that consciousness absolutely does not reside in the brain at all, now I won't go so far and say piss off and die just to prove it to yourself but there already is tons of research that prove this on various levels.</p><p></p><p>As for the sounds plants or trees make, yes it would take us a lot of energy to create a sound at 80,000 hertz but the cavitation of water molecules within plants takes far less energy, even some sea dwellers can create ultrasonic waves so powerful they use it as a weapon. It's just clever mechanics and millions of years of evolution, no different from sonar really. </p><p></p><p>If you want to exchange with a plant though and not be a cruel bastard about it, may I suggest the appreciation exercise often taught...</p><p>Find yourself a fruiting sample, doesn't really matter if it's an apple tree or strawberry plant but one where there are ripe and unripe fruits present. </p><p>Step 1, slowly pull a fruit free paying careful attention to how much pressure it takes to break free.</p><p>Step 2, pull on a piece of fruit until you're just on the edge of that breaking point, and then say thank you to the plant or tree...</p><p>Step 3, try again using different languages...Try not saying thank you and using other random words...</p><p></p><p>Now ask yourself a few questions; </p><p>Did it give you the fruit when you said thank you? </p><p>Or did it give you the fruit when you thought the intention of saying thank you?</p><p>How can it give you the fruit in the first place?</p><p>How can it know what different languages even are let alone understand them all?</p><p>What is the nature of the physiological response you felt in your body?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="8thsinner, post: 256804, member: 15138"] Though I think your rudimentary percentage markings have some basis I think your percentages given to humans are far too generous. The benefits of dying, or in fact dying twice in a life time will prove to you plenty that consciousness absolutely does not reside in the brain at all, now I won't go so far and say piss off and die just to prove it to yourself but there already is tons of research that prove this on various levels. As for the sounds plants or trees make, yes it would take us a lot of energy to create a sound at 80,000 hertz but the cavitation of water molecules within plants takes far less energy, even some sea dwellers can create ultrasonic waves so powerful they use it as a weapon. It's just clever mechanics and millions of years of evolution, no different from sonar really. If you want to exchange with a plant though and not be a cruel bastard about it, may I suggest the appreciation exercise often taught... Find yourself a fruiting sample, doesn't really matter if it's an apple tree or strawberry plant but one where there are ripe and unripe fruits present. Step 1, slowly pull a fruit free paying careful attention to how much pressure it takes to break free. Step 2, pull on a piece of fruit until you're just on the edge of that breaking point, and then say thank you to the plant or tree... Step 3, try again using different languages...Try not saying thank you and using other random words... Now ask yourself a few questions; Did it give you the fruit when you said thank you? Or did it give you the fruit when you thought the intention of saying thank you? How can it give you the fruit in the first place? How can it know what different languages even are let alone understand them all? What is the nature of the physiological response you felt in your body? [/QUOTE]
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