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<blockquote data-quote="TITOR RIGHT" data-source="post: 38519" data-attributes="member: 1031"><p><strong>Re: Words I</strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 15px">I'm going to back link to another thread in here, the thread about ?Stevie? AKA </span>[media=youtube]BeWPNEaT-Y8#"[/media] <span style="font-size: 15px">, the cat that got busted for ?threatening? our soon to be president ?Obama?. </span> </strong></p><p></p><p> <strong><span style="font-size: 15px">http://paranormalis.com/archive/news-events/373-stevie-accused-miss-threat-president-elect.html</span></strong></p><p></p><p> <strong><span style="font-size: 15px">I would have probably never given the example any real thought except my attention was raised by the links inside. They are timely in many respects, the idea of spyware and the stand in ?principle? our host is acting through now. The players in the game ?GLP? and Jason Lucas, the way ?Godlikeproductions? is right in front with the propaganda and spin, not to mention trying to drive site hits up.</span></strong></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-size: 15px"><a href="http://pimpinturtle.com/2008/09/23/godlikeproductionscom-tavistock--friend-of-dr-paul-or-foe-eerie-must-read.aspx" target="_blank">I'm A Pimpin Turtle...: IS GODLIKEPRODUCTIONS A TAVISTOCK OPERATION? SEE LIST OF BANNED WORDS</a></span></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-size: 15px">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTn30zZtz90&feature=related</span></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-size: 15px">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKR3XcRhgKk&feature=related</span></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-size: 15px">[media=youtube]BeWPNEaT-Y8"[/media]</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 15px">Considering the information available, I would have to acknowledge that essentially ?Stevie? is a commando sheep.... If you watched the video you can see where he made his mistake or mistakes... Learn Learn Learn.... </span> </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-size: 15px">Now consider perhaps another mistake, the trial of Socrates. First realize ?the setup? that the trial by ?jury? (commonly numbering around 500 jurors) in a court where you have one day for trial, morning is the complainant followed by the defendant. There are no Lawyers, the charge is brought forward by individual grieved party and argued by same, the defense is the defendants retort to the charge of grieved party. Also the the person making the charge is to declare the penalty for the grievance. If you enjoy the speech you should lookup what the original charge or grievance was declared and by whom. I guess you could say the ?charge? was sedition pay attention to the sedition of what, then consider the penalty compared to grievance. You might recognize the myth found else where. Also for your enlightenment, he was a ?stone shaper? a cutter of rock also known as a MASON.... for those with eyes that see ...... </span> </p><p> <strong><span style="font-size: 15px">Socrates Philosophy</span></strong></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> <strong><span style="font-size: 15px">Speech 3: After The Trial. To the Jury who condemned him</span></strong></p><p></p><p> Well, gentlemen, for the sake of a very small gain in time you are going to earn the reputation- and the blame from those who wish to disparage our city- of having put Socrates to death, ?a wise man?- for they will call me wise, even though I am not wise, these people who want to find fault with you. If you had waited a little while, your desire would have been fulfilled in the course of nature. For I am far advanced in years, as you may perceive, and not far from death. I am speaking now not to all of you, but only to those who have condemned me to death.</p><p> No doubt you think gentlemen, that I have been condemned for lack of the arguments which I could have used if I had thought it right to leave nothing unsaid or undone to secure my acquittal. But that is very far from the truth. It is not lack of arguments that has caused my condemnation; but I had not the boldness or impudence or inclination to address you as you would have liked me to do, weeping and wailing and lamenting, and saying and doing many things which you have been accustomed to hear from others, and which, as I maintain, are unworthy of me. I thought at the time that I ought not to do anything common or mean when in danger: nor do I now repent of the style of my defense; I would rather die having spoken after my manner, than speak in your manner and live. </p><p> In a court of law, just as in warfare, neither I nor any other ought to use his wits to escape death by any means. In battle it is obvious that if a man will throw away his arms, and fall on his knees before his pursuers, he may escape death; and in other dangers there are other ways of escaping death, if a man is willing to say and do anything. But I suggest, gentlemen, that the difficulty is not so much to escape death; the real difficulty is to escape from doing wrong, which is far more fleet of foot. In this present instance I, the slow old man, have been overtaken by the slower of the two, but my accusers, who are clever and quick, have been overtaken by the faster runner, who is unrighteousness. When I leave this court I shall go away condemned by you to death, but they will go away convicted by Truth herself of depravity and wickedness. And they accept their sentence even as I accept mine. No doubt it was bound to be so, and I think that the result is fair enough. </p><p> And now, O men who have condemned me, I would fain prophesy to you; for I am about to die, and in the hour of death men are gifted with prophetic power. And I prophesy to you, my executioners, that as soon as I am dead, vengeance shall fall upon you with a punishment far more painful than your killing of me. You have brought about my death because you wanted to escape the accuser, and not to give an account of your lives. But that will not be as you suppose: far otherwise. For I say that there will be more accusers of you than there are now; accusers whom hitherto I have restrained: and as they are younger they will be harsher to you, and will cause you more annoyance. If you think that by killing men you can prevent some one from censuring your evil lives, you are mistaken. This a way of escape is neither possible nor honourable; the easiest and the noblest way is not to stop the mouths of others, but by improving yourselves. This is the last message to you who voted for my condemnation. </p><p> To the jury who acquitted him</p><p>Friends, who voted for my acquittal, I should very much like to say a few words to reconcile you to the result, while the magistrates are busy, and before I go to the place at which I must die. Stay then a little, for we may as well talk with one another while there is time. You are my friends, and I should like to show you the meaning of this event which has happened to me. O my judges--for you I may truly call judges--I should like to tell you of a wonderful circumstance. Hitherto the divine faculty of which the internal oracle is the source has constantly been in the habit of opposing me even about trifles, if I was going to make a slip or error in any matter; and now as you see there has come upon me that which may be thought, and is generally believed to be, the last and worst evil. But the oracle made no sign of opposition, either when I was leaving my house in the morning, or when I was on my way to the court, or while I was speaking, at anything which I was going to say; and yet I have often been stopped in the middle of a speech, but now in nothing I either said or did touching the matter in hand has the oracle opposed me. What do I take to be the explanation of this silence? I will tell you. It is an intimation that what has happened to me is a good, and that those of us who think that death is an evil are in error. For the customary sign would surely have opposed me had I been going to evil and not to good.</p><p> We should reflect that there is much reason to hope for a good result on other grounds as well. Death is one of two things. Either death is annihilation, and the dead have no consciousness of anything; or, as we are told, it is really a change: a migration of the soul from this place to another. Now if there is no consciousness, but only a dreamless sleep, death must be a marvellous gain. </p><p>If, on the other hand, death is a removal from here to some other place, and if what we are told is true, that all the dead are there, what greater blessing could there be than this, gentlemen? Put it this way: how much would one of you give to converse with Orpheus, Musaeus, Hesiod and Homer? Nay, if this be true, let me die again and again. It would be a specially interesting experience for me to join them there, to meet Palamedes, and Ajax the son of Telamon, and any other ancient hero who met their death through an unfair trial, and to compare my fortunes with theirs. Above all, I shall then be able to continue my search into true and false knowledge; as in this world, so also in the next; and I shall find out who is wise, and who pretends to be wise, and is not. What infinite delight would there be in conversing with them and asking them questions! In another world they do not put a man to death for asking questions: assuredly not. For besides being happier than we are, they will be immortal, if what is said is true.</p><p> You too, gentlemen of the jury, must look forward to death with confidence, and fix your minds on this one belief, which is certain: that nothing can harm a good man either in life or after death, and his fortunes are not a matter of indifference to the gods. This present experience of mine has not come about mechanically; I am quite clear that the time had come when it was better for me to die and be released from my distractions. That is why my sign never turned me back. For my own part I bear no grudge at all against those who condemned and accused me, although it was not with this kind intention that they did so, but because they thought that they were hurting me; and that is culpable of them. However I ask them to grant me one favour. When my sons grow up, gentlemen, if you think that they are putting money or anything else before goodness, take your revenge by plaguing them as I plagued you; and if they fancy themselves for no reason, you must scold them just as I scolded you, for neglecting the important things and thinking they are good for something when they are good for nothing. If you do this, I shall have had justice at your hands, both I myself and my children. </p><p>Now it is time that we were going, I to die and you to live; but which of us has the happier prospect is unknown to anyone but God.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TITOR RIGHT, post: 38519, member: 1031"] [b]Re: Words I[/b] [B][SIZE=4]I'm going to back link to another thread in here, the thread about ?Stevie? AKA [/SIZE][media=youtube]BeWPNEaT-Y8#"[/media] [SIZE=4], the cat that got busted for ?threatening? our soon to be president ?Obama?. [/SIZE] [/B] [B][SIZE=4]http://paranormalis.com/archive/news-events/373-stevie-accused-miss-threat-president-elect.html[/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=4]I would have probably never given the example any real thought except my attention was raised by the links inside. They are timely in many respects, the idea of spyware and the stand in ?principle? our host is acting through now. The players in the game ?GLP? and Jason Lucas, the way ?Godlikeproductions? is right in front with the propaganda and spin, not to mention trying to drive site hits up.[/SIZE][/B] [SIZE=4][URL="http://pimpinturtle.com/2008/09/23/godlikeproductionscom-tavistock--friend-of-dr-paul-or-foe-eerie-must-read.aspx"]I'm A Pimpin Turtle...: IS GODLIKEPRODUCTIONS A TAVISTOCK OPERATION? SEE LIST OF BANNED WORDS[/URL][/SIZE] [SIZE=4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTn30zZtz90&feature=related[/SIZE] [SIZE=4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKR3XcRhgKk&feature=related[/SIZE] [SIZE=4][media=youtube]BeWPNEaT-Y8"[/media][/SIZE] [SIZE=4]Considering the information available, I would have to acknowledge that essentially ?Stevie? is a commando sheep.... If you watched the video you can see where he made his mistake or mistakes... Learn Learn Learn.... [/SIZE] [SIZE=4]Now consider perhaps another mistake, the trial of Socrates. First realize ?the setup? that the trial by ?jury? (commonly numbering around 500 jurors) in a court where you have one day for trial, morning is the complainant followed by the defendant. There are no Lawyers, the charge is brought forward by individual grieved party and argued by same, the defense is the defendants retort to the charge of grieved party. Also the the person making the charge is to declare the penalty for the grievance. If you enjoy the speech you should lookup what the original charge or grievance was declared and by whom. I guess you could say the ?charge? was sedition pay attention to the sedition of what, then consider the penalty compared to grievance. You might recognize the myth found else where. Also for your enlightenment, he was a ?stone shaper? a cutter of rock also known as a MASON.... for those with eyes that see ...... [/SIZE] [B][SIZE=4]Socrates Philosophy[/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=4]Speech 3: After The Trial. To the Jury who condemned him[/SIZE][/B] Well, gentlemen, for the sake of a very small gain in time you are going to earn the reputation- and the blame from those who wish to disparage our city- of having put Socrates to death, ?a wise man?- for they will call me wise, even though I am not wise, these people who want to find fault with you. If you had waited a little while, your desire would have been fulfilled in the course of nature. For I am far advanced in years, as you may perceive, and not far from death. I am speaking now not to all of you, but only to those who have condemned me to death. No doubt you think gentlemen, that I have been condemned for lack of the arguments which I could have used if I had thought it right to leave nothing unsaid or undone to secure my acquittal. But that is very far from the truth. It is not lack of arguments that has caused my condemnation; but I had not the boldness or impudence or inclination to address you as you would have liked me to do, weeping and wailing and lamenting, and saying and doing many things which you have been accustomed to hear from others, and which, as I maintain, are unworthy of me. I thought at the time that I ought not to do anything common or mean when in danger: nor do I now repent of the style of my defense; I would rather die having spoken after my manner, than speak in your manner and live. In a court of law, just as in warfare, neither I nor any other ought to use his wits to escape death by any means. In battle it is obvious that if a man will throw away his arms, and fall on his knees before his pursuers, he may escape death; and in other dangers there are other ways of escaping death, if a man is willing to say and do anything. But I suggest, gentlemen, that the difficulty is not so much to escape death; the real difficulty is to escape from doing wrong, which is far more fleet of foot. In this present instance I, the slow old man, have been overtaken by the slower of the two, but my accusers, who are clever and quick, have been overtaken by the faster runner, who is unrighteousness. When I leave this court I shall go away condemned by you to death, but they will go away convicted by Truth herself of depravity and wickedness. And they accept their sentence even as I accept mine. No doubt it was bound to be so, and I think that the result is fair enough. And now, O men who have condemned me, I would fain prophesy to you; for I am about to die, and in the hour of death men are gifted with prophetic power. And I prophesy to you, my executioners, that as soon as I am dead, vengeance shall fall upon you with a punishment far more painful than your killing of me. You have brought about my death because you wanted to escape the accuser, and not to give an account of your lives. But that will not be as you suppose: far otherwise. For I say that there will be more accusers of you than there are now; accusers whom hitherto I have restrained: and as they are younger they will be harsher to you, and will cause you more annoyance. If you think that by killing men you can prevent some one from censuring your evil lives, you are mistaken. This a way of escape is neither possible nor honourable; the easiest and the noblest way is not to stop the mouths of others, but by improving yourselves. This is the last message to you who voted for my condemnation. To the jury who acquitted him Friends, who voted for my acquittal, I should very much like to say a few words to reconcile you to the result, while the magistrates are busy, and before I go to the place at which I must die. Stay then a little, for we may as well talk with one another while there is time. You are my friends, and I should like to show you the meaning of this event which has happened to me. O my judges--for you I may truly call judges--I should like to tell you of a wonderful circumstance. Hitherto the divine faculty of which the internal oracle is the source has constantly been in the habit of opposing me even about trifles, if I was going to make a slip or error in any matter; and now as you see there has come upon me that which may be thought, and is generally believed to be, the last and worst evil. But the oracle made no sign of opposition, either when I was leaving my house in the morning, or when I was on my way to the court, or while I was speaking, at anything which I was going to say; and yet I have often been stopped in the middle of a speech, but now in nothing I either said or did touching the matter in hand has the oracle opposed me. What do I take to be the explanation of this silence? I will tell you. It is an intimation that what has happened to me is a good, and that those of us who think that death is an evil are in error. For the customary sign would surely have opposed me had I been going to evil and not to good. We should reflect that there is much reason to hope for a good result on other grounds as well. Death is one of two things. Either death is annihilation, and the dead have no consciousness of anything; or, as we are told, it is really a change: a migration of the soul from this place to another. Now if there is no consciousness, but only a dreamless sleep, death must be a marvellous gain. If, on the other hand, death is a removal from here to some other place, and if what we are told is true, that all the dead are there, what greater blessing could there be than this, gentlemen? Put it this way: how much would one of you give to converse with Orpheus, Musaeus, Hesiod and Homer? Nay, if this be true, let me die again and again. It would be a specially interesting experience for me to join them there, to meet Palamedes, and Ajax the son of Telamon, and any other ancient hero who met their death through an unfair trial, and to compare my fortunes with theirs. Above all, I shall then be able to continue my search into true and false knowledge; as in this world, so also in the next; and I shall find out who is wise, and who pretends to be wise, and is not. What infinite delight would there be in conversing with them and asking them questions! In another world they do not put a man to death for asking questions: assuredly not. For besides being happier than we are, they will be immortal, if what is said is true. You too, gentlemen of the jury, must look forward to death with confidence, and fix your minds on this one belief, which is certain: that nothing can harm a good man either in life or after death, and his fortunes are not a matter of indifference to the gods. This present experience of mine has not come about mechanically; I am quite clear that the time had come when it was better for me to die and be released from my distractions. That is why my sign never turned me back. For my own part I bear no grudge at all against those who condemned and accused me, although it was not with this kind intention that they did so, but because they thought that they were hurting me; and that is culpable of them. However I ask them to grant me one favour. When my sons grow up, gentlemen, if you think that they are putting money or anything else before goodness, take your revenge by plaguing them as I plagued you; and if they fancy themselves for no reason, you must scold them just as I scolded you, for neglecting the important things and thinking they are good for something when they are good for nothing. If you do this, I shall have had justice at your hands, both I myself and my children. Now it is time that we were going, I to die and you to live; but which of us has the happier prospect is unknown to anyone but God. [/QUOTE]
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