Are We On the Path to Civil War?

[Darkwolf]

Are We On the Path to Civil War?

I have to ask ... WHY?

Why do we have to sacrifice our rights to protect ourselves? I don't get it.

We don't, thats my point. We should be protecting the homeland by taking it to the enemy's homeland. Some people are just taking advantage of it to take away our freedoms, and are restraining our response in order to prolong it so they can do more here.
Is the state out to take our rights? Yes.
Are the terrorists really trying to kill us? Yes.

Somehow both of these groups need to be stopped.

 

[StarLord]

Are We On the Path to Civil War?

Playing in their yard and taking the picknick to their doorstep is an interesting concept. That of course would raise the percentage of happenings here considerably. It could turn into a slugfest quickly.

 

[Darkwolf]

Are We On the Path to Civil War?

Playing in their yard and taking the picknick to their doorstep is an interesting concept. That of course would raise the percentage of happenings here considerably. It could turn into a slugfest quickly.

Its going to be a slugfest anyway. The thing we can controll is the timing. I'd say it would be better to have it out now than when they have had a generation or two more to islamisize parts of europe, and possibly even Canada. They will never be weaker militarially than they are today unless somone makes them so. I want them sending all the new martyrs to fight our military right now rather than sending them to worm their way into our socioty and set up for years in order to deal a death blow here. Sadly we will have to accept casualtys both civilian and military in order to stay a free country. But we have to end it.

 

[StarLord]

Are We On the Path to Civil War?

Agreed. Adverse as I am to a path like this, that is very sage advice.

Sometimes a very safe looking Mastif with rabies can be anything but.

 

[Judge Bean]

Are We On the Path to Civil War?

Originally posted by Timmy G@Dec 3 2004, 03:55 AM

So the question is how do we protect ourselves from these people without giving up our rights here in the homeland?

I have to ask ... WHY?

Why do we have to sacrifice our rights to protect ourselves? I don't get it.

I am no scholar, so maybe that is why I cannot understand why so many people are willing to say "here Uncle Sam, take away my guarantee of due process. No problem, I don't want to be tried by a jury of my own peers, nor do I want a lawyer. Ohh, and here - here's a silver platter by which to whisk them away."

From what I understand, so far in history whenever we were at war - the government made 'wartime acts' which separated our very citizens from those posing a threat. For some ungodly reason - sheeple today are ready to just toss it all away. Why, because the extremists are comin'!
omg - i feel sick again.

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"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Franklin

 

[Timmy G]

Are We On the Path to Civil War?

\"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.\" -- Franklin

Paul, thank you - you are the man.
Excellently posted quote.

 

[Darkwolf]

Are We On the Path to Civil War?

Arson Destroys 12 New Md. Homes
30 Empty Houses Damaged in Subdivision That Is Subject of Environmental Dispute

By Joshua Partlow and Michael E. Ruane
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, December 7, 2004; Page A01

A dozen empty houses in a new Maryland subdivision that is the focus of a long-running environmental dispute were destroyed and numerous others were damaged yesterday in what officials said were more than 20 coordinated, methodically planned arsons.

No one was hurt, but the attack left the Hunters Brooke subdivision, near Indian Head in Charles County, scarred with blackened, gutted houses, and it terrified the quiet community near the Potomac River about 25 miles downstream from the District.



Firefighters battle one of the blazes, which left blackened, gutted houses in the subdivision. Investigators found evidence that an accelerant was used. (James M. Thresher -- The Washington Post)?



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A preliminary investigation found traces of fire-starting accelerant in four houses that were the first to be examined by investigators, officials said. Damage was estimated at $10 million, and William E. Barnard, the state fire marshal, said it was the biggest arson in state history. In addition to the 12 homes destroyed, about 30 were damaged, authorities said.

Investigators said more than 20 fires were set. Some houses were burned to the ground, and the second floors and roofs of others were burned out. The structures seemed to have been targeted at random, investigators said, with some houses inexplicably spared while others nearby were destroyed.

Investigators said the fires were confined to the unoccupied section of the development, away from homes where people live. About 70 houses had been finished or were under construction in the subdivision and 319 more were planned, the developer said.

For the past five years, two subdivisions in the area, Hunters Brooke and the yet-to-be-built Falcon Ridge, have been a source of fierce opposition from environmental groups, who have sued the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the Army Corps of Engineers for allowing houses to be built in the area.

Environmentalists assert that the houses will damage Araby Bog, a 6.5-acre wetlands area that is home to endangered insects and such rare plants as the halberd-leaved greenbrier and red milkweed. The bog filters rain and upwelling waters that feed into the nearby Mattawoman Creek and the Potomac.

Scores of investigators from county and state agencies, the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives were on the scene or headed there yesterday, including a 15-member ATF \"national response team,\" made up of chemists, interviewers, schematic artists, fire cause-and-origin experts and other specialists.

An ATF spokesman, agent Mike Campbell, said an anti-terrorism task force of local and federal investigators was called to the scene to explore whether the fires were set by radical environmentalists.

Environmental extremists have claimed responsibility for similar attacks elsewhere, often through online postings or messages left at the scene. Federal authorities classify such extremists as domestic terrorists. No such claim was asserted as of yesterday afternoon, said Theresa R. Stoop, special agent in charge of the ATF's Baltimore office.

Asked whether investigators had found graffiti or other evidence of such a claim, Stoop said, \"There's nothing to indicate that.\"

Jonathan Tepper, sales and marketing manager for the D.C. division of Lennar Corp., the builder for the development, said he did not believe the fires were set by anyone opposed to the environmental impact.

\"Our concern about this whole thing is the families,\" Tepper said. \"Several of them had bought homes as Christmas presents for their families.\"

Terri Rookard, who had moved to Hunters Brooke four days earlier, said she was awakened before dawn when her eldest son burst into her room saying that he smelled smoke. She looked out of her window and saw flames pouring out of a nearby home. More fire was visible through another window.

Sounds like somone just might have have made the Gestappo's day. Look for patriot two to get through and be used on these guys.

The high rise fire in chiago sounds a bit fishey too.

 

[StarLord]

Are We On the Path to Civil War?

Looks like someone is real sore about houses being built where they feel nature should abound. A tad extreme though.

 

[Timmy G]

Are We On the Path to Civil War?

Are we on the path to Civil War? That is the question...
...just how much will the American people let slide.

Article by: Allen W. Smith is Professor of Economics Emeritus, Eastern Illinois University, and author of The Looting of Social Security (Carroll and Graf, 2004). Visit his website: www.lootingsocialsecurity.com. Copyright 2004 Allen W. Smith.


The Bush administration is gearing up to pull off one of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated against the American people. Under the guise of a plan to save Social Security, Karl Rove and company are pushing a scam to destroy Social Security, as we now know it. Although there are multiple motives behind the attack on Social Security, the prime motive appears to be an effort to cover up the theft of $1.5 trillion of Social Security money by the federal government over the past two decades, more than one-third of which has occurred under George W. Bush.

Most Americans are unaware of the fact that the Social Security trust fund is empty. Every cent of the $1.5 trillion Social Security surplus generated by the 1983 payroll tax increase-earmarked specifically for funding the retirement of the baby boomers-has been spent by the government, in violation of federal law, as if it were general-fund revenue. The money has been replaced with non-marketable special-issue government IOUs that, unlike regular marketable Treasury Bonds, have no real value and are thus not real assets. These IOUs are nothing more than accounting entries that tell us how much Social Security money has been taken by the government. They are essentially worthless until and unless the government, at some future time, chooses to enact huge tax increases, or borrow massive additional amounts of money from the public, to repay its debt to Social Security. When Al Gore proposed terminating this practice by putting the Social Security money in a "lockbox", George W. Bush promised to do likewise. Bush further cemented his promise to keep his hands out of the Social Security cookie jar in his first State of the Union address on February 27, 2001. In no uncertain terms, Bush said, "To make sure the retirement savings of America's seniors are not diverted in any other program, my budget protects all $2.6 trillion of the Social Security surplus for Social Security, and for Social Security alone."


During Bush's first term, $509 billion of Social Security surplus was generated by the payroll tax, and every dollar of it was spent for non-Social Security purposes. Most of it was used to fund Bush's unaffordable income tax cuts. As a result of the spending of the Social Security surplus by George W. Bush and his predecessors, Social Security faces a crisis that has nothing to do with the retirement of the baby boomers. The 1983 payroll tax increase forced the baby boomers to prepay the cost of their retirement, in addition to paying for the benefits of people already retired. Contrary to what we so often read and hear, Social Security has not operated on a pay-as-you go principle since 1983. If it had not been for the government theft of Social Security surplus money, the trust fund would have sufficient assets to assure the payment of full benefits until at least 2042. At that point, the youngest of the baby boomers will be 78 years old, and the bubble will have passed through the system. The actuarial problem that would result in having insufficient payroll tax revenue to pay full benefits after 2042, if no changes are made, is a minor problem that can be resolved with minor reforms and modifications to the existing system. Privatization does nothing to resolve this problem.

In 2018, the Social Security program will begin to run annual deficits after 34 years of consecutive surpluses. But that would not be a problem, except for the government theft of Social Security money. The government would just dip into the huge reserve in the trust fund, as provided for by the 1983 legislation, to supplement the inadequate payroll taxes, and there would be enough in the reserve to last until 2042. Now, Alan Greenspan, who helped design the legislation that would require baby boomers to prepay the cost of their benefits, is proposing substantial cuts that would cheat the baby boomer out of part of the benefits that they have already paid for. Most Americans do not yet know about the theft of the Social Security money, and Greenspan and Bush would like to keep it this way. By focusing the nation's attention on a proposed privatization plan, they draw attention away from the unlawful theft of Social Security money. Social Security is not broken and doesn't need to be fixed in the short term. The problem is that the government has removed all the money from the vault and needs to replace it. The privatization proposal is the Trojan horse with which they hope to destroy the current Social Security program before the people wake up to the fact that without the theft, there would be no Social Security problem for another 38 years. Will America become a modern-day Troy?

Complete Article found HERE

 

[Jesus_Bush]

Are We On the Path to Civil War?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...d=694&ncid=2043



Kerry Lawyer Seeks Ohio Ballot Inspection



By MARK WILLIAMS, Associated Press Writer

COLUMBUS, Ohio - Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites) is asking county elections officials to allow his witnesses to inspect the 92,000 ballots cast in Ohio in which no vote for president was recorded, a Kerry lawyer said Sunday night.





Ok, Let's pretend voter fraud was exposed. I couldn't picture mein fuhrer stepping down peacefully. Maybe titor wasn't lying.