- Debunking - I Am John Titor

come on guys none of us was there to see what realy happened, or how the planets got what, and where they are.. we can speculate all day, but realy we just don't know for sure.... hell we don't even know if the laws that govern our understanding realy apply to the known vers. we now have.... durring the creation process much of the bodies we believe to have affected the formation of other bodys may not apply at all..
just as we didn't know light was both waves and particals 100o yrs ago... back then it only came from the sun or fire or stars that twinkled in the night sky....we were not stipid or spouting hogwash, we just did not know it could be made by our own invention. when you boil it down a second, is a second, cause we say it is. a year is one rotation of earth around the sun and nothing more.. just the planets distance traveled and noted by the observer . in the mikly way a year may be 100 of what we call a year or 1/10th we don't know...
we think we know stuff but to coin a phraze
I know that I do not know
P.S
what does any of that make sence

Why would an actual time traveler go through all the trouble of, you know, traveling through time.... And then post on a forum?

We do know what we know because the observable facts fit the theory.

No, they haven't and no, they don't.

You have spouted drivel since you first proclaimed that you were the latest iteration of John and have manifestly failed to substantiate any of your claims. You are a muppet of the highest order!

What next I wonder? Nibaru is real and you know that Earth is subject to the will of Lizard Overlords?

No, you don't. Facts and you are distant relations. Facts are real and you are not. Never the twain shall meet.

Come on people get real this guy obviously full of s**t.

Ok. You believe what you think and I'll believe what I know.

I remember when we had awesome 'supposed' time travelers. Man, those were the days.

This? This is just... Depressing. If you're not going to do it right, don't do it at all.

Hardly an intelligent response.

Look, here's what I think. I think any Agency that stumbled upon Time Travel or Dimension Jumping (and you did say it was by accident of your variant of physics that this was discovered) would deploy its most intelligent and capable of Agents out into the field so to speak. I didn't say intellectual here, I said intelligent, there is a difference. Now I believe that such a person would not be daft enough to post in the manner that you have with your big ideas about the technology used nor the future to come. You don't offer intimate snippets of what will be, you bounce out big 'gosh' and 'wow' statements in the belief that we will fall over ourselves to lap up your tale. That's what you seek, belief, from us, in you. Trouble is, you're neither intelligent nor intellectual and hardly the material for such a sensitive operation.

Your own mirror of our Universe would have its own paranoid Governments and would be unlikely to send someone who would blab all at the first forum he landed on. I can tell you that employing the word CERN has all kindsa eyes taking a peek over your shoulder and rifling through this forum for all comments regarding its use. Instantly, you have been logged, analysed and filed as NOI. If you need to know, you'll know what that means. If you had've been who you say you are, you would no longer be posting. There are protocols in effect that deal with Extra Terrestrial contact, new technologies and even ones that deals with Time Travellers, I shit you not. The paranoid plan for everything and prepare for anything that they need to control. You, you are still posting. You are not what or who you claim to be. Now, I suspect that you will wheel out some tripe about having technology that allows you to obfuscate the trail between you and this forum and that no power on earth can track you down. It will probably be some piece of handheld kit that looks remarkably like a smartphone and wouldn't be obvious as to what it was if you were randomly searched, blah-blah-blah. So, we would never know who you were, where you were posting from, yadah-yadah-yadah... Bollox is my answer to that. You've told us of our future, of our discovery of oil on Mars, so tell us who the next U S President will be after Obama.

Had we been the discoverers of this mechanism for visiting alternate realities, we would have sent someone silent, someone cautious, someone clever and someone deadly. We wouldn't have sent Daffy Duck. That's what you are, a charicature of what the real thing would be. You're no Time Traveller, you're just looking for a fix of adulation and awe.

I believe what I think. I think what I believe. You believe what you know. You don't know what you believe though...

Padraig, now there was a man with a good tale. Arsed up on the research though.

dear John seems you have been measured and wieghed and are found to be lacking in most areas of yarn spinning.
remember when I told you,, I don't always fully understand alot of what Grayson talks about but could always see the logic of it....

We do know what we know because the observable facts fit the theory.

thats what I'm talking about..plain,,simple,,,unmollested logic it stands alone with no need of riddles,,,meaningless bank accounts,,props,,backwards speach ...fake ID's,,, trick phrase's.....it's realy a quite beautifull thing to behold... shocking as it may be for you it works very well for all people,,aliens,,and even some savages... commonly called the KISS factor
thanks Grayson I knew you would give me what I needed if I would just wait for it

Well, i'm not surprised here folks. Now yea, I coulda went on a debunker's dream trip with this guy, but i figured he would eventually frak up on the shoes he is trying to sell here. A time traveler you are not sir.... in fact, i'm pretty sure you don't even know what Time Zone you currently reside in. I gotta agree with Grayson here....a true time agent would not come here and start trying to prove the physics involved in the actual travel itself...or sprout froth about oil on a planet that could not support such resources. I asked ya for validity, and you offer a quatrain in response? Please bub. I tried to tell ya that there are those who will question you on your claims, and you failed...utterly. What more needs to be said? That somehow you will gain access to the LHC and travel back to whatever alt. universe you come from? As if. So.....all that being said....i'm gonna sit on back and observe some more. See bub, thats what a TRUE time traveler would do...observe and report. And since you are not here to enlighten us all on possible future events....then I brand you a hoaxer bub, with all the bells ans whistles that follow that title.

Num7 I would dearly love to stumble across the genuine article one day, or even someone who could mesmerise me with a good tale and answer my queries logically, leaving me in doubt as to their validity. The true genius of the original Titor tale was that, bar the flaky physics in places, it did run on its own internal logic and leave people questioning whether or not he was in fact genuine even to this day. I've read his tale, pored over it, queried the physics and the logic and still find elements of it that hang together. That coupled with the genuine nature of the original Titor's answers to all queries flung at him made for a beguiling read.

Damn it all! I want to be dazzled by these tales, not bored with their plodding narrative. I want Asimovian logic applying to each tale element so that it hangs true, even if it sounds beyond rational belief. I seek the soft touches in such, the small details that hang a day together, create a sense of future place and make me wonder if it could be true. Farcical assertions are the one sure way to make me a disbeliever and for me to want to smash the hoax apart. A good tale will get me, you, everyone asking pertinent questions and adding flesh to the tale by association. I am sure that we would all enjoy that. And, if at the end, we remain uncertain, the TT'er backs out of stage right with his tale still under debate and leaving us without all the questions answered, then we have been entertained and rightly so.

Herein lies the challenge. Fool us and fool us well, for we wish to be entertained.

For you KC, it was a pleasure.