Debate John Titor: Real Time Traveler or a Hoaxer?

Apogee

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The most popular parlour game in ithe forty year history of the EU has always been [email='@hose]''Whose[/email] country's in the biggest economic mess?"

Again, nothing new there. If you go looking you'll always find some soothsayers of politics willing to dust off the spectre of Europe-wide crises.

As for those tricky rules of Titor's:


2. I will not disclose any detailed information that would allow someone to
avoid death by probability. This means no earthquake or bombing information.


Rule 2 as a case in point. I reassert my contention that Titor violates his own rule by simple virtue of writing it down for others to read ( whether he discloses detailed information or not). If the whole purpose of the rule is to prevent someone from living when they should die in our normal time-line why does he communicate with us in any way at all?

Out of the many people who simply spend time reading his words, there will be someone whose life will be altered by the time spent doing so who may then cause someone else's life to change in another manner later. Eventually, major repercussions might well take place further down the line for yet another person. That person might change the timing of an action or a decision they make and as a result, save their lives or the lives of someone else. How could Titor guarantee then that someone wouldn't 'avoid death by probability' as a result of his posting ANY information?

The causality changes resulting from anyone spending so much as a second glancing at a single one of his postings would have such far-reaching effects I believe his rules of non-disclosure are worse than pointless.
 

StarLord

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Isn't it convient that the folks that comprised titor never really had to 'reveal' any hard information to stir up folks to the point that they actually bought into the story?
As a few have touched on before, the 'story' was well written with very much intended hooks placed throughout to hit at many levels of one's subconscious insuring a intent, rapt audience from the very beginning.

One of the strongest 'hooks' is when you learn that the character really could care less about you and it's best for the rest of the world if you perish along with the rest of the fools that helped waste the planet. Uh huh. Remember back when playing games were part of the courting ritual and the ONLY mate you wanted and persued was the one that could care less wheather you were around or not?

Imagine being asked to prove your prevarication while in the thick of things and you have everyone's undivided attention, the trooling hooks deepset and unremoveable.
What better ploy than to state right up front that you will not reveal anything (that will actually prove one way or the other if the hype is on the up and up) Of course they are not going to disclose anything of value, how could they possibly do that when all they have at their disposal are computer generated future senarios?

It doesn't take much to point in a general direction when you happen to know the basic outline of the gameplan in the first place.

The characters early life as a young teenager smaks of all the swashbuckling action you could ever ask for sans sea and ship. However, they really blew it from a military/new found militia standpoint. Or did all the National Guard Arms repositories melt one really hot day? A Fire Team armed with ONLY shotguns? Please. Sounds real kool in one's mind and garuantees another sure mental 'hook' but from a logical standpoint of surviving out in the bush, I would prefer a M16, AR15 with a few M79's and one or two M60's thank you very much. What's that you say? No training available? 30-30's or 30-06 bush guns keep you much farther from a melee then Shotguns can afford you or perhaps several Compound Bows would be one's next logical choice as they are quite silent and have a much more devastating effect when someone in a maurading group suddenly grows a arrow and they could not guess from whence it came.

There are just too many holes in the story to be real. However, that does NOT mean that this was created from a several unhappy folks that are 'in the know' of what may be the gameplan of the PTB because of their official duties. That I would believe .
 

LetThereBeLight!

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Buying into a story, is a bit like selling the story. What is worse?
Causing the story to happen or letting the story happen on its own?
But also, can the future change, if perhaps, more awareness is all around?
In the book, Hyperspace, is the general conjecture of reaching a Unified Field Theory and the steps needed for that Theory where all is Unified!

I also am sure that some people not even aware of the story may see the possibilities of the future without even reading the story.
Although then, the future may also be changed somewhat!

I am sure that if one looks at the picture again, that person may notice something that is not there!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor
and without reading the caption below it!
Titor1.jpg

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"StarLord\")</div>
Isn't it convient that the folks that comprised titor never really had to 'reveal' any hard information to stir up folks to the point that they actually bought into the story? .[/b]

Well, John Titor did have "hard information" with his no WMD's war prediction, and I have yet to see one person explain that without acknowledging JT had insight to the future.
 

LetThereBeLight!

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LetThereBeLight!

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Combining light and gravity was one of the steps towards a Theory of Everything back in the book Hyperspace by Dr. Kaku. The terms have now changed somewhat, but before the Theory of Everything comes, light and gravity may have to be combined, both in relativity, and at the quantum level.

So that link up above has a few good sentences, and the rest is just a lay person's view of it, which scientists do not really consider.

They do consider this though:

http://www.superstringtheory.com/

and other people other than me, are doing this:
http://202.43.196.230/language/translatedPage?lp=en_zt&.intl=tw&tt=url&text=http%3a%2f%2fwww.abovetopsecret.com%2fpages%2fthe_john_titor_project.html

But then I am not doing this either!
Or this:
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/cchien&article_id=1822797

http://astrology.fightclub.com.pk/text/t-103889.html

http://www.tianyaclub.com/new/TechForum/Content.asp?idArticle=562727&idItem=16

http://forward.hkwebs.net/post/1/1457

or this:
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph?0505001

or even this:
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc?0506006

or anything else that is going on:
http://www.sinodaily.com/news/milspace-05zb.html

I guess I am just a designer plant at this computer:
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-base-05d.html

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/chip-tech-05p.html

I may need watering though, just sitting here!
And I may look at this planet sometimes:
http://www.refdesk.com/paper.html
http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/uncgi/Earth/action?opt=-p
http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/uncgi/Earth?lat=0&ns=lNorth&Ion=0&ew+East&alt+35785

www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200205/s553344.htm

But this will only be a for a limited time again: (oh that thread! -- Zipped!)
http://dimensionalcitizen.tripod.com/postings.html

Otherwise, feed me daily and water me, for I am a designer plant at this computer, and finding out about gravity and light is being done by -- plants also:

And according to Nature website, a plant with neither gravity nor light up in space -- grows in a spiral pattern, by why does a plant know to grow with its roots downward towards gravity, and its shoots upwards towards the light.

Well, there is funding also going on for that and part of what NASA is also doing!

In fact, none of the above proves anything and will not -- for the future!

Oh, I forgot the basis that may have provoked new thought patterns:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4357613.stm

But it all still does not mean actually anything for the future!
 

Roth Joint

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JT: "The West will become very unstable which gives China the confidence to "expand"."

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/world/11811394.htm
Posted on Sat, Jun. 04, 2005

Rumsfeld confronts China

He challenges nation on freedoms, arms

The Associated Press

SINGAPORE ? Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld bluntly challenged
China today, saying Beijing must provide more political freedom to
its citizens.

"Ultimately, China will need to embrace some form of open,
representative government if it is to fully achieve the benefits to
which its people aspire," he said.

Rumsfeld also questioned China's recent military buildup.

He said the Pentagon's annual assessment of China's military
capabilities showed China was spending more than its leaders
acknowledge, expanding its missile capabilities and developing
advanced military technology. China now has the world's third-largest
military budget, he said, behind the United States and Russia.

"One might be concerned that this buildup is putting the delicate
military balance in the region at risk ? especially, but not only,
with respect to Taiwan," Rumsfeld said in remarks prepared for a
conference organized by The International Institute for Strategic
Studies. "Since no nation threatens China, one wonders: Why this
growing investment?"

The speech represented a direct verbal confrontation with China,
given that Beijing sent representatives to the annual conference this
year after skipping last year's event. Officials from Taiwan, a self-
governing island China regards as a renegade territory, were not
invited.

China has said it would attack Taiwan if the island tries to declare
independence, and it repeatedly calls on the United States to stop
selling weapons to Taiwan. The United States is urging the European
Union to keep in place its ban on selling weapons to China.

Rumsfeld prodded China to use its influence with North Korea to help
restart six-nation talks over Pyongyang's nuclear weapons programs.
 

Maggot7

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If john is a theme character then where did he get those pictures of the car and his time machine and I don't think a theme park would play pranks on people on the net.
 

sinister

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i don't even know, conflicting evidence has abounded lately. I see all this very suspicious information posted by VirtualGirl, and all this almost Titor-credifying news lately, I don't know what to think. All I can say is, good research VirtualGirl, something smells fishy. And at the same time, I must admit something. Even if I had never heard of John Titor or become interested in time travel and found this board, I would say this world is ending. Something "sinister" and very creepy is going on, and I dare anyone to question that. Has anyone NOT felt the creepy feeling that's been going around. No one's telling us the truth, but still here we all are. I'm sorry to sound cliche, but something very sinister is going on.
 

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