Re: John Titor Update: Exclusive Report!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"LetThereBeLight!\")</div>
What was I talking about?
Oh, my new theory, that has not seem to sink into their brains there yet.
There is only time, and the movement of time makes everything else, somehow that is perceived. That is because, of reading last night till 3:30 AM about all this stuff -- like the mutliverse, modal logic, and omiverse, and philosophy, all considering that parallel universes do exist, but which interpretation is correct -- the Copenhagen interpt, or the other major one, I forget the name of now without looking it up.[/b]
The Copenhagen Interpretation (Today the Copenhagen interpretation is mostly regarded as synonymous with indeterminism, Bohr's correspondence principle, Born's statistical interpretation of the wave function, and Bohr's complementarity interpretation of certain atomic phenomena)
and
Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle (The more precisely the position is determined, the less precisely the momentum is known in this instant, and vice versa)
I personally prefer Fred Allan Wolf's interpretation of the UP ("for dummies" and those of us who could never fathom physics): electons act like naughty little boys.....behaving when being observed and acting out when no one is looking. :lol:
To sort of bring the discussion back around to the Titor/Haber connection, here's a nice exchange between Darby and Jay:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darby\")</div>
Jay,
If you haven't completed the pre-production shooting and interviews it might be an interesting follow-up with Larry Haber to ask him about the Celebration, Florida connection to the Titor Saga.
If you haven't already read the appropriate posts I'll give you the synopsis of the Celebration Connection:
This is the original site where Titor first posted as \"TimeTravel_0\". Raul Burriel is the owner of this site. At the time that Titor first appeared Raul was also the SysAdmin of the Celebration community website and BBS forum (
http://www.34747.org). On that site he had several hot links to other sites that he owned - including this one. (Raul is not otherwise involved in the story nor is he involved with Haber or the JTF.)
Titor made his appearance here and on Art Bell's Post-2-Post (P2P) site and eventually left. Four years later the John Titor Foundation (JFT) is organized as a Florida Limited Liability Company. It is housed at one of Larry Haber's office addresses in Celebration along with a movie production studio, graphic arts studio and sound production studio. Larry is Chief Legal Counsel and Business Manager for the JTF.
We've always found it a bit strange that \"Mom\" Titor, having been warned about the danger that she, Dad and Little John would be in if their identities were discovered by the enemy of John Titor (our present government), chose among all possible attorneys an entertainment attorney to represent the family \"problem.\"
Another problem that has come out of the John Titor Foundation are \"The Book\" and \"The Radio Program.\" Ben Z aka \"Buzzmaker\" produced the radio program. He said that he is a friend and business associate of Larry Haber's. He made no bones about the fact that the radio program is fictional and that he was under the impression that the Titor Saga was an online role playing game. He also said that the \"additional material\" (additional schematics and notes) included in copies of The Book (if purchased directly from the JTF rather than through E-Bay) were \"faked\" by the book writing staff at JTF.[/b]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Jay\")</div>
In regards to the Celebration connection, Larry did talk about having worked there but didn't go in to much detail. One thing he wanted to make very clear is that he no longer works out of Celebration. I guess there have been many visitors looking for his offices and taking pictures and it has started to annoy the people over there. [/b]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darby\")</div>
Jay,
Thanks for the reply. We've known that Larry maintains law offices outside of Celebration for quite some time. However he still lists the JTF address, where he is the business manager, as 606 Front Street, Celebration, FLA 34747. VISI Corp also maintains that address. Larry is (we believe) still Chief Legal Counsel for VISI. That's the graphics arts studio. Front St Productions maintains the same address. That's the film and audio production unit.
And Larry still lives in Celebration. In fact he is the \"First Person\" of Celebration according to their own lore. He was the first person to move in when the community was formed by Disney.
I know that you're a young film maker and don't want to make too many waves before your career even gets off the ground, but you do understand and know that Larry is not just a hack lawyer who claims to be an entertainment attorney? He's the real deal and quite well known in Florida, Los Angeles/Hollywood and New York.
That's the concern. When people are in trouble and in need of legal advise because \"the government\" might be out to get them, their country is about to be plunged into a civil war and 3 billion people are about to die in a world war is it logical that they seek out an entertainment lawyer to form an LLC, give them advise about how best to market coffee mugs, t-shirts, books and films and make the lawyer the business manager?
Or, frankly, is it logical to entertain the thought that the principles of the JTF are Group Titor and includes \"Boomer\", the author of the John Titor Saga - who may well be Larry Haber?
One interesting question might be to ask Larry if he has a brother who is a physicist at a West Coast physics research laboratory.
All of us understand that Larry has been beseiged with inquiries (even though he has answered exceedingly few of them). For my part I've discouraged people on Anomalies from going a-knocking at his door. This is, after all, just an online fiction. We also understand Larry's annoyance with the situation.
But...
This story was running here, on Anomalies.net and (before it closed down) Post-2-Post on Art Bell's old BBS for almost four years before the JTF was officially formed by Larry. He chose to make that move and he knew precisely how popular the topic is and was and that it has been somewhat contentious. For him to complain about the \"publicity\" is a bit naive given the totality of the circumstances. The more so considering that his son Brandon became involved last year by posting on Anomalies. [/b]
Perhaps Virtual wasn't so far off base afterall......you know what they say....where there's smoke, there's fire.......
Just my two "sense" worth.
Mudpuppy
P.S.
Speaking of Heisenberg, here's something cute to inject a little levity:
Einstein, Heisenberg, and Tipler
9th August 1995
Einstein,
Heisenberg, and Tipler, after equal invariant intervals in purgatory, find themselves before the Throne of God.
As a man, they exclaim, "What did I do to merit an eternity down (brrrrr)
there"?
God thought for a moment; when you're omnipresent in spacetime there's no need for haste. He turned first to Einstein.
"Albert," he said, "you showed your species My creation in its most elegant form, law without Law. Then, inflamed by wartime passion, you urged the transformation of your discovery into a
weapon of mass destruction."
Einstein shuffled his feet and nodded subtly. He resisted the temptation to
stick his tongue out. God turned His omniscient Eyes toward Heisenberg.
"Werner, you discovered that I
do play dice, and you glimpsed that I
have to if anything interesting's going to happen--your last words were, `I will ask Him why there is turbulence'. I will answer you, `So there can be Heisenberg'. But you
stayed in Germany, Werner! You worked on a reactor for Hitler; you taught physics to brown-shirted Nazi thugs. You'll recall that my Son is Jewish."
"Frank, Frank, Frank," God continued, "didn't you read
my book? I read
yours, you know. Does the phrase
`Thou shalt have no other gods before me' ring a bell? How about
`I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the ending'? You not only wanted to have another God before Me, you wanted to
be Him. And the money, Frank...do you know how piddling an advance I got for the
Bible?. And you assumed causality--
you Frank! You should know me better than that."
Tipler, almost defiant, raised his head and fixed God with a cold stare. "Why are there singularities in Your universe?"
"Because there are things I don't want you to know," God responded calmly.
Heisenberg, his dying question answered, remained silent, pondering the choices he'd made during his life on Earth.
Einstein seized the moment, "Look, Old One", he said, "physics is local. You made it that way; I figured it out. But
why is there that spooky action-at-a-distance nonlocality in quantum mechanics?"
God chuckled. Even experiencing all of spacetime at once, such events were rare. "Albert, your greatest talent has always been not finding the right answer--anybody could do that--but asking the right question. Your generation learned physics assuming I was a great watchmaker; you destroyed that notion, but most of you died off before it became evident what I was. I create abstract systems from pure information, Albert. I'm a
programmer.
"Quantum nonlocality is a
bug."
God turned to Saint Peter. "Einstein and Heisenberg go to Heaven. Send Tipler to the massive rotating cylinder to try again. Next case."
God hated these Judgement Days; he couldn't wait (to the extent that's possible for an omnipresent being) to get to back to his craps game with Wotan, Jove, and Shiva. Saint Peter looked up from his infinite scroll, "Fourth Commandment: blasphemy--eternal damnation. Send in Lederman and Hawking". What
was it about these physicists, God wondered, as they approached the Throne.