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<blockquote data-quote="Judge Bean" data-source="post: 18470" data-attributes="member: 42"><p><strong>Advanced Titor Analysis;</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You have to keep your mind open to the possibilities. At this point, too many questions are posed by the disinformation scenario?more than are answered by it. For instance, if you were an agent attempting to secure a militarist state against Constitutionalists, wouldn?t you find yourself a reactionary on the internet instead of a claimed Constitutional partisan? </p><p></p><p>The disinformation agent is someone like ?Cadet? on the old forum, who kept chanting that it would be impossible to wage war against the government due to the advantages in arms. Of course, he wrote that before the imperial army became stymied in Iraq.</p><p></p><p>Why would someone who wants to suppress dissent and revolution pose on the internet as someone who was a veteran of it and who passionately urged his audience to prepare for war with the government?</p><p></p><p>Another thing is this deal with his ?grandfather,? who was said to have been one of the developers of the IBM 5100. We all know by now what the ?grandfather paradox? is, right? Well, if John Titor is actually Jonathan Titus, who is an actual person instrumental in the development of the first PC, of which the 5100 was the first marketed prototype, then Titor is his own grandfather?a kind of inside joke, or allusion. </p><p></p><p>Since the paradox is meant to show the impossibility of time travel, or apparent impossibility, the text of the Titor narrative demonstrates the opposite, and a conciliation of premises that eliminates the paradox. The paradox is eliminated by the proposition of alternate timelines, but the story as told by Titor is a demonstration or enactment of it.</p><p></p><p>Another thing is that Titor?s civil war actually doesn?t start until 2005. He repeatedly mentions 2005 as the clear point in history (e.g., ?It is a mistake to give anyone your unwavering belief? but you will find that out for yourself in 2005.? ?For a few months now I have been trying to alert anyone that would listen to the possibility of a civil war in 2005.?) when the war ?starts.? </p><p></p><p>It isn?t even obvious to everyone that a war is under way until 2008, when it becomes general. Until then, the public is a pack of drowsing sheep, according to Titor, and doesn?t give him much hope that the holocaust can be averted.</p><p></p><p>This is not the approach you would think that a double spy or disinformation agent would take. He would try to suppress any information flowing back to the past, because it would represent a risk to the control of what is known and predicted, and stand the chance of rousing the rebel spirit. Look for the government agents among those who went to great lengths to debunk Titor to his face.</p><p></p><p>But of course I could be wrong. I am trying to find the explanation that answers as many of the questions as possible in a reasonable fashion, and in the simplest way possible. Nevertheless, a couple of things continue to nag me:</p><p></p><p><em>1. His uncanny predictions about the ?next war,? which he says will be based on the ?BS? that Iraq has nuclear weapons capabilities;</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>2. His suggestions that the impending civil war has something to do with the stolen 2000 election; that its root causes can somehow be seen in it;</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>3. His unassailable understory, or innerstory, which he makes no effort to either conceal or elaborate upon in spite of the tremendous pressure to ?prove? himself.</em></p><p></p><p>Regarding the first two, much has already been said. It is only when I look closely into the third that I get a bad chill up my spine.</p><p></p><p>I have a spine, and I?m not afraid to confront what looks like a strong possibility: that the Titor story is in fact a story about what lies ahead for us, and what choices we can make to save ourselves.</p><p></p><p>I also have more guts than you can hang on a fence, and I fit a bunch of other colorful phrases as well. I have more than enough sense to pour ###### out a boot whether or not the instructions are printed on the heel. </p><p></p><p>I can easily identify Shinola, and a hole in the ground, and the difference between these and other things. So you can trust me, or you can call me a crackpot, and I might change my mind tomorrow, but this is what I think:</p><p></p><p>On November 12, or just after the 2000 election, Titor makes the statement that he has been trying for a few months to ?alert anyone that would listen to the possibility of a civil war. Does that seem more likely now? ? to see it unfold is very interesting? Florida?s votes?? </p><p></p><p>He seems to have come to the internet as a way of reaching anyone else ?that would listen,? and thinks that maybe the stolen national election might make the ?possibility of a civil war? more apparent to his audience.</p><p></p><p>He is asked whether he had traveled to the past ?to observe the results of the presidential election,? and he answers (on Nov. 11) like this:</p><p></p><p><em>?I would use the word ?elections? a bit cautiously. Perhaps it?s easier now to see a civil war in your future??</em></p><p></p><p>He analogizes his situation to being in Germany before WWII, ?knowing what will come but no one will listen to you,? and telling you that ?the situations you describe could never happen,? which gives him a feeling of ?sadness that you cannot see what I see.? </p><p></p><p>He is in 2000 to help his grandparents prepare for the war, and the one thing he wishes we all would do is wake up and see the signs everywhere of what is to come. However, as a side effect of being here for that purpose, he notices that there is no ?Pearl Harbor.? The war will still undoubtedly come, but will not be started with the same catastrophic event. What is Pearl Harbor to the line of history beginning in 2004-05?</p><p></p><p><em>?Yes, the Pearl Harbor example relates to Y2K. Have you considered that I might already have accidentally screwed with your worldline?? (Feb. 2, 2001)</em></p><p></p><p>Y2K is an instigating event of some kind for the sequence of events leading up to the holocaust of nuclear war. The turning point would be the American civil war, without which the nuclear war might not have happened. When he is pressed to explain his analogy about Pearl Harbor, on Nov. 21, he writes</p><p></p><p><em>?For a change, I have a question for all of you. I want you to think very hard. What major disaster was expected and prepared for in the last year and a half that never happened??</em></p><p></p><p>Therefore, as a side-effect of his mission to recover the 5100 (to avert Y2K+38), he has managed to eliminate Y2K, apparently by accident. Y2K was apparently an instigating event for the civil war and WWIII in his world, and he still remains uncertain that ours will completely avoid the wars. </p><p></p><p>Y2K could have set us up for a civil war by virtue of its continuing consequences blamed on the government; a strong antigovernment movement starts, the feds crack down, social unrest, hand FEMA the keys. The crashed computer systems and networks resulted in a catastrophic political upheaval?as of course it well might.</p><p></p><p>Titor is clearly time traveling, if he is actually, to prevent the war. He just can?t tell us how to prevent it, or be blunt or direct. The only way he can do it is to seed the process of peace from behind a mask. The mask causes disbelief and debunking, and preoccupies all of the retentives on Anomalies.</p><p></p><p>Y2K is apparently in a group of necessary precedent events to the world of circumstances in which the End of the World occurs. But it is not the only such event that can render history more or less the same as the one Titor knows. </p><p></p><p>It could be argued that 911 has interceded to serve in its place?and per the Art Bell FAX, 911 apparently didn?t happen on Titor?s home line. Since 911 occurs 21 months after the Y2K moment, it has perhaps also delayed public dissatisfaction past the 2004 onset of Waco-type incidents.</p><p></p><p>It shouldn?t take long for the 911 worldline to catch up to the one familiar to Titor, but the gap was exploited by Titor in the only way available to him, and for the purpose of alerting us.</p><p></p><p>If you will reread the Titor material, you?ll see that this interpretation satisfies your questions in a remarkable number of directions. Whether or not it?s true? I suppose we will discover that, as he wrote, this year.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Judge Bean, post: 18470, member: 42"] [b]Advanced Titor Analysis;[/b] You have to keep your mind open to the possibilities. At this point, too many questions are posed by the disinformation scenario?more than are answered by it. For instance, if you were an agent attempting to secure a militarist state against Constitutionalists, wouldn?t you find yourself a reactionary on the internet instead of a claimed Constitutional partisan? The disinformation agent is someone like ?Cadet? on the old forum, who kept chanting that it would be impossible to wage war against the government due to the advantages in arms. Of course, he wrote that before the imperial army became stymied in Iraq. Why would someone who wants to suppress dissent and revolution pose on the internet as someone who was a veteran of it and who passionately urged his audience to prepare for war with the government? Another thing is this deal with his ?grandfather,? who was said to have been one of the developers of the IBM 5100. We all know by now what the ?grandfather paradox? is, right? Well, if John Titor is actually Jonathan Titus, who is an actual person instrumental in the development of the first PC, of which the 5100 was the first marketed prototype, then Titor is his own grandfather?a kind of inside joke, or allusion. Since the paradox is meant to show the impossibility of time travel, or apparent impossibility, the text of the Titor narrative demonstrates the opposite, and a conciliation of premises that eliminates the paradox. The paradox is eliminated by the proposition of alternate timelines, but the story as told by Titor is a demonstration or enactment of it. Another thing is that Titor?s civil war actually doesn?t start until 2005. He repeatedly mentions 2005 as the clear point in history (e.g., ?It is a mistake to give anyone your unwavering belief? but you will find that out for yourself in 2005.? ?For a few months now I have been trying to alert anyone that would listen to the possibility of a civil war in 2005.?) when the war ?starts.? It isn?t even obvious to everyone that a war is under way until 2008, when it becomes general. Until then, the public is a pack of drowsing sheep, according to Titor, and doesn?t give him much hope that the holocaust can be averted. This is not the approach you would think that a double spy or disinformation agent would take. He would try to suppress any information flowing back to the past, because it would represent a risk to the control of what is known and predicted, and stand the chance of rousing the rebel spirit. Look for the government agents among those who went to great lengths to debunk Titor to his face. But of course I could be wrong. I am trying to find the explanation that answers as many of the questions as possible in a reasonable fashion, and in the simplest way possible. Nevertheless, a couple of things continue to nag me: [i]1. His uncanny predictions about the ?next war,? which he says will be based on the ?BS? that Iraq has nuclear weapons capabilities; 2. His suggestions that the impending civil war has something to do with the stolen 2000 election; that its root causes can somehow be seen in it; 3. His unassailable understory, or innerstory, which he makes no effort to either conceal or elaborate upon in spite of the tremendous pressure to ?prove? himself.[/i] Regarding the first two, much has already been said. It is only when I look closely into the third that I get a bad chill up my spine. I have a spine, and I?m not afraid to confront what looks like a strong possibility: that the Titor story is in fact a story about what lies ahead for us, and what choices we can make to save ourselves. I also have more guts than you can hang on a fence, and I fit a bunch of other colorful phrases as well. I have more than enough sense to pour ###### out a boot whether or not the instructions are printed on the heel. I can easily identify Shinola, and a hole in the ground, and the difference between these and other things. So you can trust me, or you can call me a crackpot, and I might change my mind tomorrow, but this is what I think: On November 12, or just after the 2000 election, Titor makes the statement that he has been trying for a few months to ?alert anyone that would listen to the possibility of a civil war. Does that seem more likely now? ? to see it unfold is very interesting? Florida?s votes?? He seems to have come to the internet as a way of reaching anyone else ?that would listen,? and thinks that maybe the stolen national election might make the ?possibility of a civil war? more apparent to his audience. He is asked whether he had traveled to the past ?to observe the results of the presidential election,? and he answers (on Nov. 11) like this: [i]?I would use the word ?elections? a bit cautiously. Perhaps it?s easier now to see a civil war in your future??[/i] He analogizes his situation to being in Germany before WWII, ?knowing what will come but no one will listen to you,? and telling you that ?the situations you describe could never happen,? which gives him a feeling of ?sadness that you cannot see what I see.? He is in 2000 to help his grandparents prepare for the war, and the one thing he wishes we all would do is wake up and see the signs everywhere of what is to come. However, as a side effect of being here for that purpose, he notices that there is no ?Pearl Harbor.? The war will still undoubtedly come, but will not be started with the same catastrophic event. What is Pearl Harbor to the line of history beginning in 2004-05? [i]?Yes, the Pearl Harbor example relates to Y2K. Have you considered that I might already have accidentally screwed with your worldline?? (Feb. 2, 2001)[/i] Y2K is an instigating event of some kind for the sequence of events leading up to the holocaust of nuclear war. The turning point would be the American civil war, without which the nuclear war might not have happened. When he is pressed to explain his analogy about Pearl Harbor, on Nov. 21, he writes [i]?For a change, I have a question for all of you. I want you to think very hard. What major disaster was expected and prepared for in the last year and a half that never happened??[/i] Therefore, as a side-effect of his mission to recover the 5100 (to avert Y2K+38), he has managed to eliminate Y2K, apparently by accident. Y2K was apparently an instigating event for the civil war and WWIII in his world, and he still remains uncertain that ours will completely avoid the wars. Y2K could have set us up for a civil war by virtue of its continuing consequences blamed on the government; a strong antigovernment movement starts, the feds crack down, social unrest, hand FEMA the keys. The crashed computer systems and networks resulted in a catastrophic political upheaval?as of course it well might. Titor is clearly time traveling, if he is actually, to prevent the war. He just can?t tell us how to prevent it, or be blunt or direct. The only way he can do it is to seed the process of peace from behind a mask. The mask causes disbelief and debunking, and preoccupies all of the retentives on Anomalies. Y2K is apparently in a group of necessary precedent events to the world of circumstances in which the End of the World occurs. But it is not the only such event that can render history more or less the same as the one Titor knows. It could be argued that 911 has interceded to serve in its place?and per the Art Bell FAX, 911 apparently didn?t happen on Titor?s home line. Since 911 occurs 21 months after the Y2K moment, it has perhaps also delayed public dissatisfaction past the 2004 onset of Waco-type incidents. It shouldn?t take long for the 911 worldline to catch up to the one familiar to Titor, but the gap was exploited by Titor in the only way available to him, and for the purpose of alerting us. If you will reread the Titor material, you?ll see that this interpretation satisfies your questions in a remarkable number of directions. Whether or not it?s true? I suppose we will discover that, as he wrote, this year. [/QUOTE]
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