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<blockquote data-quote="Judge Bean" data-source="post: 22228" data-attributes="member: 42"><p><strong>Re: Bedtime for Democracy</strong></p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"pauli\")</div></p><p> </p><p>Those are not hoops, the death is not premature, and this is a false analogy.</p><p> </p><p>The main thing that makes it an apples&organges situation is that, in the case of the death penalty, it is the government officially killing a person-- doing it, in fact, in your name. That's the State government, too, by the way.</p><p> </p><p>In the case of Schiavo, and any others like it, it is an individual (or her guardian or proxy) choosing to die and the government trying to prevent it. That's the <em>federal</em> government. </p><p> </p><p>The federal government has no business forcing people to make the choice either way between life or death <em>under the circumstances-- </em>it can, of course, force the issue on both a State and federal level, in certain cases of homicide, suicide, and assisted suicide.</p><p> </p><p>Even in a clear case of State-authorized "death with dignity," as in Oregon, the federal government attempts to step in and bully everybody around to do what Bush wants.</p><p> </p><p>It is more difficult to execute a convict; you always want it to be as difficult as possible for the government on any level to officially kill anybody-- for what should be obvious reasons. Some people live in a country, perhaps, in which the government can always be trusted to make the right decisions about such things.</p><p> </p><p>I do not, and neither do you.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>The amount of time consumed, as the amount of money, is apparently of no consequence when an attempt is being made to thwart the urge of the authorities to punish individuals. The urge is huge, part of the irrational and expensive urge to put as many people into prison for as long a time as possible. But you cannot judge the morality of the process in either Schiavo's or a death penalty case on the basis of time, even on the time travel forum.</p><p> </p><p>You are also forgetting the people who have been convicted and serve for decades before being freed on new evidence or new science; and the great number of those who haven't been.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>If I'm not mistaken, that test was first designed by the army to discover whether recruits might be "latent homosexuals," i.e., hidden gays. It asks, among other things, whether or not you prefer to paint watercolors instead of hunting wild boar.</p><p> </p><p>Even a sociopath can be given the right and power to terminate a patient's life if the circumstances are otherwise kosher.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Judge Bean, post: 22228, member: 42"] [b]Re: Bedtime for Democracy[/b] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"pauli\")</div> Those are not hoops, the death is not premature, and this is a false analogy. The main thing that makes it an apples&organges situation is that, in the case of the death penalty, it is the government officially killing a person-- doing it, in fact, in your name. That's the State government, too, by the way. In the case of Schiavo, and any others like it, it is an individual (or her guardian or proxy) choosing to die and the government trying to prevent it. That's the [i]federal[/i] government. The federal government has no business forcing people to make the choice either way between life or death [i]under the circumstances-- [/i]it can, of course, force the issue on both a State and federal level, in certain cases of homicide, suicide, and assisted suicide. Even in a clear case of State-authorized "death with dignity," as in Oregon, the federal government attempts to step in and bully everybody around to do what Bush wants. It is more difficult to execute a convict; you always want it to be as difficult as possible for the government on any level to officially kill anybody-- for what should be obvious reasons. Some people live in a country, perhaps, in which the government can always be trusted to make the right decisions about such things. I do not, and neither do you. The amount of time consumed, as the amount of money, is apparently of no consequence when an attempt is being made to thwart the urge of the authorities to punish individuals. The urge is huge, part of the irrational and expensive urge to put as many people into prison for as long a time as possible. But you cannot judge the morality of the process in either Schiavo's or a death penalty case on the basis of time, even on the time travel forum. You are also forgetting the people who have been convicted and serve for decades before being freed on new evidence or new science; and the great number of those who haven't been. If I'm not mistaken, that test was first designed by the army to discover whether recruits might be "latent homosexuals," i.e., hidden gays. It asks, among other things, whether or not you prefer to paint watercolors instead of hunting wild boar. Even a sociopath can be given the right and power to terminate a patient's life if the circumstances are otherwise kosher. [/QUOTE]
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